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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:24 PM
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Senate roll call now on a procedural vote on the Ryan plan. Needs only 51 votes to pass.
Edited on Wed May-25-11 04:25 PM by flpoljunkie
There will be four votes on budget plans and each will need only 51 votes to pass. Interesting. Assumed it would be a 60 vote threshold.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:27 PM
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1. So ending the tax breaks for big oil required 60 votes
Edited on Wed May-25-11 04:27 PM by ProSense
but destroying America's safety net only needs 51?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:27 PM
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3. I think the difference could be that this is a procedural vote. n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:29 PM
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4. No, the bills will advance if they receive 51 votes, according to C-Span. Obama budget up next.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:34 PM
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5. I suspect It only needs 51 because nobody wants to filibuster.
Edited on Wed May-25-11 04:39 PM by Skinner
The Republicans don't want to filibuster their own bill.

And Democrats want to make sure the Republicans vote for it.

(ON EDIT: Not sure. There might be special rules for the budget.)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:37 PM
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6. Ah, thanks. n/t
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 10:00 PM
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15. From what I've seen, they do cloture motions for everything now
I think they even did one for the START treaty, which makes no sense to filibuster since it requires 67 votes to pass and only 60 are required for cloture.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:27 PM
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2. Could this be part of what changed about the filibuster rules?
I remember it having something to do with preliminary votes.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:38 PM
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7. It's not a change in the rules.
The Dems know they have the votes to stop it, and are forcing the Rs to vote for the bill, making them own it for use in Fall 2012. Not a bad move, imho.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:44 PM
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8. Ryan budget fails by a vote of 40 to 57. Wonder who didn't vote.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:46 PM
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9. Republicans voting NO: Brown, Collins, Paul, Snowe, Murkowski
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:05 PM
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10. Thanks, jefferson_dem.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 06:08 PM
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11. Democrats didn't filibuster...they wanted the GOPers to vote on it
So why would they filibuster? They want yes votes on record, and they already knew it couldn't pass.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-11 09:41 PM
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14. Filibustering is something the minority does
What the Democrats actually did here was to put eight Republican-held seats into play in 2012, because people on Medicare vote in very high percentages.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:17 PM
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12. A budget resolution cannot be filibustered
They represent only a framework, they are non-binding and do not go to the President.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:22 PM
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13. Looks like the repubs are now on record
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