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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:09 PM
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Nate Silver: Unemployment rate has "very weak correlation" w/incumbent POTUS' re-election chances
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 06:20 PM by ClarkUSA
In his latest blog entry over at The New York Times, Silver figuratively rolls his eyes at the journalistic Chicken Littles who have pronounced President Obama's a one-term president based on this latest jobs report. He corrects their ignorant hyperbole here...

... if you’re going to write about the jobs numbers as a horse race story, you ought to do it right, and that means keeping an eye on the big picture.

In fact, looked at in the most literal way — how much President Obama’s re-election chances changed between 8:29 a.m. today and 8:30 a.m., when the numbers were released — the impact is probably quite minor. At the betting market Intrade, the contract on Mr. Obama’s 2012 chances has declined in value only barely, to implying a 57.9 percent chance of re-election from a 58.4 percent chance before the jobs numbers were published.

This was a terrible jobs report — there were no silver linings. But it’s still just one report, and there will be 16 more of them before Mr. Obama faces the voters. The unemployment rate, moreover, historically has a very weak correlation with an incumbent president’s re-election performance. Certainly, that does not mean you should ignore it — but it should be looked at along with other data that gets less attention, like reports on G.D.P. and disposable income and consumer confidence and the inflation rate, each of which have historically had more predictive power.

The employment report is also considered only a moderately important predictor of future economic data, because it can be more of a lagging than a leading indicator.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/08/in-coverage-of-jobs-report-misplaced-attention-to-horse-race/#more-13027


I trust Nate Silver more than anyone else when it comes to political prognostication. Those who know him know why I do. Those who don't should look up his track record, which is better than any pollster in this nation.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:15 PM
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1. It's all about trend
Ronald Reagan had a 7.2% rate on election day '84, after a high of 10.8% in December '82.
FDR had a rate of about 11% in 1936, after over 25% upon his inauguration.

If unemployment is not measurably coming down by June 2012, Obama needs to worry. (Should he have saved Osama for next year's October Surprise?)
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:55 PM
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4. "Should he have saved Osama for next year's October Surprise?"
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 06:56 PM by CakeGrrl
:wtf:

What a dangerous, cynical, Republican-esque idea.

Obama got Bin Laden as soon as the opportunity presented itself to take out a terrorist who was at the nexus of other planned attacks.

But he should have "saved" it for political expediency.

:wtf:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:50 PM
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9. Yeah guyz because Zer0bama TOTALLY had bin Laden killed
while he was a state senator in Illinois, put him in cold storage, and then just trotted him out a few months ago for a boost in the polls!

This is a totally reasonable position to take, right guys?!

Guys?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:34 PM
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2. CNN showed a poll earlier. Only 8% blame Obama for economy.
Majority blamed Bush, then Wall Street, then Congress.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:51 PM
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3. In this case, all Obama has to do is say enough is enough
and stop with this B.S about Social Security and Medicare and the people will listen.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:29 PM
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6. Remarkable, isn't it? I was pleasantly surprised by that poll.
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John Agar Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:13 PM
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5. If this keeps up, though, all bets are off.
Losses in the public sector are driving the numbers down, and these are only going to increase in July, as Puke states lay off more teachers, cops etc.

Add to that the likely impact of federal cuts, and we could down a million public sector jobs in the next year or so (we have already lost 500,000).

I hope this doesn't happen, but it worries me.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:57 PM
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7. "G.D.P. and disposable income and consumer confidence and the inflation rate"
how are those indicators doing?
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:25 PM
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8. So Plouffe was correct with what he said on this nt
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:00 PM
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10. Whew. Then all those desperate lives won't matter.
Screw those out-of-work losers. Obama is a winner.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:17 PM
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11. K&R. But let's not tell the sockpuppets.
;)
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:06 PM
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12. kick
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