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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:09 PM Original message |
Our President doesn't define himself as a Progressive |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well done! |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I somewhat agree with you there |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Agree |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. His actions in office have not been those of even a moderate Democrat. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Who would be an example of |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. Setting aside Vietnam .... LBJ. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Maybe you have a point. That's why he won IN, GA, VA and some other |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. That is a fallacious analysis |
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Wait Wut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. I don't define myself as a Progressive, either. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Exactly right... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Perhaps |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Yes, yes, and yes! |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I think there is too little articulation of Democratic ideology from our President |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Most Americans are not hung up on ideology. They care about results. nt |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I think you wll find that most Americans concept of results is colored |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I don't agree. Most Americans probably can't even tell you |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. That doesn't mean that they haven't been indocrinated into one though |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I will agree tht nationlism is a default ideology. Still, that doesn't mean |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. True, it isn't thought of as an ideology. Here is a potent 4 word one |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Ideology IS results |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I differ on most Americans never agreeing on a Progressive agenda |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I don't think that America is turned off by progressive ideals, as much as they |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Didn't the meaning of "progressive" |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. "Progressive" like any label, means different things to different people. nt |
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Wait Wut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. Hmmmm...I think it goes deeper than what you've presented. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
48. I suspect you are correct that is part of it. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
46. +1 |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Wait are you honestly saying there isn't a class war going on right now in this country? |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
7. The president does not like labels. I can completely appreciate this.. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
10. As in the past, thank you |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
16. I am a Progressive who took a long view of the lack of an even playing field early on... |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. "progressives want progress, not perfection in every way" |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 12:42 AM Response to Reply #16 |
42. ah ma cheri' |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
20. The president is not a boat rocker. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I think he rocked it pretty good this time. n/t |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. Fussing from the bow is a start. |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. you forgot the last line |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. HOLLER! |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. Last line of what? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Help the Capitan scuttle the mission to prevent the nutters from doing so? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I think there is too much focus on "the Captain" from all of us |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
35. I Agree -- BUT progressives will remain impotent without leverage |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Yes, they can't simply call on Party Loyalty |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
39. What is the strongest comment anyone can remember form Obama regarding |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Do |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Your first "Here" is exactly what I was asking about |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Hmmm? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Yes they do |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Ah, |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Maybe we are seeing the term "the agenda" differently |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. This |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have much in common |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. No, they don't |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. At this point in our DU encounters I don't expect to see eye to eye with you on everything |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Yes, |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Yes, we can agree on that. n/t |
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unionworks (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
44. Confidence |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
54. The pastime: defining what Obama is, ignoring what he does. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. To close the circle |
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banned from Kos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-11 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
59. Its the Democratic Party - not the Progressive Party |
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