I was counseling my friend to vote for Obama in 2012, yesterday at lunch

she'd sworn not to...3 years ago I was volunteering in Reno and she in Las Vegas.

anyway, after our lunch, I came back and read about increasing the Medicare age.

i guess i should get used to these *um* surprises. :eyes:

that's such a laughably incorrect statement, i don't even know where to begin.

exchange points of view with them

65+ years.

in a couple of years. If Obama loses in Nov. 2012, I think it means
the death of democracy in our nation. With the Neocons and Tea Paartyers
in power, there soon will be no SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc...at all.
Not at any age.

But if Obama wins in 2012, there is a chance of having all of the above
reinstated -- if they should have been removed.

...Supreme Court.

Someone like Alito or someone like Kagan?

The Supreme Court any time in the next four to eight years? The die was
cast when Alito hit the bench. Voting Obama will most likely not make
Any impact on our current court.

...Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

She has many health issues and could easily retire by 2016.

Do you want to take that chance?

The only hope we have is the replacement of Justice Kennedy with a more moderate, less corporate leaning Justice.

Remember it will be the control of the senate that is even more important. If re-elected, Obama would have a hard time getting anyone who leans even a little to the left through the process with the current ratio of senators. It is likely there will be fewer Dems in the next Senate tnan this one.

This argument about voting to protect the court has much less validity than in the past when the court was more balanced.

Currently. We have lost the court and I do not see getting back for a long time, regardless whom we elect as President.

I hope I am wrong.

a change to 6-3 means that the next Democratic president has to replace 2 to get a liberal or even moderate court. And it would likely be another younger appointment, which means the opportunity to make the court more moderate would be gone for perhaps another 20 years.

Or do do you just like being snarky?

by a Republican president? I don't! THAT is how her replacement could change the SCOTUS. Right now Justice Kennedy is a swing vote. decisions have often gone left rather than right because of his vote. That won't be at all possible if a Republican gets to choose the her replacement.

Just because you CAN stay for life, doesn't mean you HAVE to.

We give the Supreme Court so much power over us.

that has been going on ever since.


If your friend is that stupid to not vote.. then I suggest you get a better class of friends.

If that happens we will need to find some nation that would take political refugees from the United States.

and sympathy.. I live in Steve Kings district in Iowa.. what a damn nightmare :hi:

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would anyone who intends not to vote care what happens to Medicare?

Elections Have Consequences.

Imagine Speaker Pelosi.

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with a stilleto in your spine.

I can promise you that.

We're supposed to do what Lieberman says, listen to LIE-berman? From the OP link:

Reports surfaced last week that in his effort to reach a “grand bargain” with Congressional Republicans to raise the debt ceiling, President Obama refused to take cuts to Medicare off the table and said he would consider a proposal to raise the program’s eligibility age from 65 to 67, a plan floated by Sens. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Tom Coburn (R-OK). At the White House press briefing this afternoon, Press Secretary Jay Carney confirmed that raising Medicare’s eligibility age was under consideration:

I'm sick of all this. Distressed, depressed, too. The wars and the ideas of decimating the social safety net are NOT what Democrats DO. But this one is.:(

willing to make "reasonable cuts in entitlements" without actually making a single cut and put Republicans in a place where they have to walk away from a win. How can you NOT defend that?

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chance for change, if not in 2013, then in 2017. But if Obama loses
in Nov. 2012, the Neocons and Tea Partyers will complete what Bush had
started - the destruction of our Constitution. It would be the death
of democracy in our nation.

We have to think in the long-term. Espcially in a time as critical as
now. If the Neocons and Tea Partyers win in 2012, to me it means death.
There will be no end of wars -- including civil war and WWIII. The
future for our children and grandchildren will be zero.

won't have anything to do with Obama!

and here I thought teabaggers were the only ones stupid enough to advocate voting
against their own best interest!
Well, looks like they've got lotsa of dumbass company! :rofl:

And I doubt saying so is going to help get her to vote the way were want in 2012.

guess who suffered most for 8 years as a result?
Hint: It wasn't Al Gore.

You get to post what "your Friend" said,
and I get to express my opinion based on it....
that's how message boards work!

So yes, I read your OP and I imagine a dumbass sitting there, all righteous and shit....
but who in reality is someone who can't separate her feelings for a personality,
and the true results on the most vunerable based on election results, and that,
whether you want to see the truth equals a pure political "Dumbass".

folks will only remember these past few years as "the good old days"....

i'm just wondering.

if i recall correctly, you and i were kind of put off by Dean volunteers (in 2004) talking sh*t to us by having the temerity to support another primary candidate --in our case we supported Clark.

of course, the night i went to the meeting i met you at, Gore had endorsed Dean and there was all kinds of anger at Gore for doing so. i was like, "meh". Gore can support whomever he wants.

what i REALLY, REALLY liked about the Obama campaign I volunteered for in '08 was their guidance to me when dealing with potential voters to be respectful, use my own words (don't just read the script and so forth). and now, among his biggest supporters here, they use terms like "dumbass" and just go after any of us who dare criticize ANYTHING that Obama does.

look at my old thread about opposing expansion of offshore oil drilling. i got lambasted by the most vigorous Obama supporters for taking that position after he came out in favor of it.

what the hell is going on here?

what's your conversion rate of "dumbasses"?

Sounds like you're bought into the "He's gonna slash Medicare/SS!" meme.

And if your friend doesn't see much of a difference between President Obama and the R's running for office enough to not bother voting for the President again, well, there's one way to find out for sure, isn't there?

Ack!

:wow:

:rofl:

:rofl:

the term "counseling' one to vote for anyone sounds kind of creepy. I'll admit I'm having trouble thinking of a better word, maybe "discussing with" sounds better?

Well, Nov 2010.
Elections have consequences.

In Nov 2010, people who vote Democratic did not vote.

Consequences.