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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 10:48 AM
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Nobody will ever be confirmed to lead the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
The GOP has blocked confirmations for years for institutions they don't like and will continue to do so no matter who has the majority in the Senate or House.

This country is broken.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 11:20 AM
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1. We were broken from the get go. Why did we have this crazy idea
we could have such a thing in this pernicious capitalist society? Are we nuts here at DU?
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 06:13 PM
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34. I think Elizabeth Warren got tired of seeing the American people getting
relentlessly screwed. So she tried to help. Her idea was a good one.
It's the pure evil of business corporations raising its ugly head
again. How come such a few sick psychopaths can succeed in forcing their evil
wills on the vast majority of the American people?
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 11:21 AM
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2. As long as Senate Rules require a supermajority to confirm officials
We will remain broken. That part has to end. It is a shame they didn't do so in 09, or '11.
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21st Century FDR Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:44 PM
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8. That would require a Senate Majority leader with a set of testicles
And we don't have one.

Substitute "ovaries" for "testicles" if you wish. This isn't a gender thing. For example, Hillary Clinton, though her politics were a little far to the right for my tastes, she would have fought for her positions as a Majority Leader, which Reid refuses to do.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 11:45 AM
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31. We begged them to.
I think the President told them not to.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:05 PM
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3. CoC and Banksters want no regulations no regulations no regulations
Mark my word , if they do not get this thing up and running,
if the Republicans win in the next election--it is a goner.

It is more difficult to get rid of something that is up and
running than something not yet established.
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Palmer Eldritch Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:11 PM
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4. and any Democrats who refuse to vote in 2012 will be aiding this agenda.
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young but wise Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:29 PM
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5. +1000
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:36 PM
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6. "Republicans don't want to protect consumers"
Will Dems get that message out there?
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:38 PM
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7. If he really wanted, Obama could make a recess appointment. But he won't.
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:45 PM
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9. Let's hope he'll surprise us -- for a change. A recess appointment will
be good until Dec. 2012. If Obama wins, he'll have to re-appointment
Cordrayin Jan. 2013. We might have both houses of Congress by then. If Obama loses,
it wouldn't make any difference, anyway.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 02:30 PM
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14. Indeed.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 02:54 PM
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17. But that could only happen IF there is a recess.

The recess that was supposed to have taken place (before the July 4th one) was blocked by the GOP because they didn't want Obama to be able to make any recess appointments. The GOP refused to agree to adjournment and forced the Senate to go into Pro-forma Session.
That is exactly what they are planning to do again with the summer recess.

President Obama can not make recess appointments when there is no recess.

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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 03:22 PM
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19. Let's see if the Repubs. will be able to keep it up all summer.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 03:43 PM
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20. Eventually there will be.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 02:52 PM
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15. I guess you haven't been paying very close attention.
The recess that was supposed to have taken place (before the July 4th one) was blocked by the GOP because they didn't want Obama to be able to make any recess appointments. The GOP refused to agree to adjournment and forced the Senate to go into Pro-forma Session.
That is exactly what they are planning to do again with the summer recess.

President Obama can not make recess appointments when there is no recess.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 02:58 PM
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18. Recesses can't be filibustered
Edited on Sun Jul-17-11 02:59 PM by Hippo_Tron
All they can do is object to unanimous consent requests so that they have to take votes on recessing. The House can also prevent them from recessing for more than 3 days, but that's still enough time for a recess appointment.

Also, the GOP held up recess on memorial day. On July 4th, the Democrats wanted to keep the Senate in session to address the debt ceiling issue.

My guess is that he will make a recess appointment to the bureau eventually. But, he will do it closer to the election.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 03:53 PM
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22. If the GOP doesn't agree to adjournment then the Senate ....
goes into Pro-forma session and recess appointments can NOT be made.

That is what the GOP did prior to the the week of Memorial Day when there was 'supposed' to be a recess and there was not.



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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 04:05 PM
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24. No it doesn't...
This was debunked when somebody on politico said that. Recesses cannot be filibustered. The Democrats allowed the Senate to go into pro forma session in order to avoid having recorded votes on recessing.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 04:39 PM
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25. Please explain ...
Why would they want to avoid having recorded votes on recessing?

I don't understand that part.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 04:41 PM
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26. Because their opponents can run TV ads saying...
Senator so and so voted to go on vacation while there was still important business to attend to.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 04:43 PM
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27. Thank you for your reply. n/t
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 11:22 PM
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29. No problem, Senate procedure is pretty absurd and easy to misunderstand
Like I said, I think the Democrats will eventually adjourn the Senate (even if they have to take a vote to do it) in order to get somebody confirmed to that spot. I just think they want to do it closer to the election to get more political gain from it.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 05:03 AM
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30. This has little to do with Senate procedure. This has to do with the US Constitution
Edited on Mon Jul-18-11 05:17 AM by BzaDem
US Constitution, Article 1 contains:

"neither House may adjourn without the consent of the other for more than three days"

You are correct that the Senate can recess for fewer than three days without a cloture vote. The motion to recess is privileged.

But if the Senate wants to adjourn for more than three days, it can only do so pursuant to a concurrent resolution that previously passed BOTH Houses. Once a concurrent resolution for adjournment passes both Houses, THEN the majority leader can motion for a recess for longer than three days (if it is consistent with the concurrent resolution). Not before. The House can prevent the Senate from recessing for more than three days for the duration of Obama's presidency, and there is nothing the Senate can do about it.

Why does three days matter? Well, presumably the recess appointment can't be used with a one day recess. If that were the case, then every night the Senate recessed, the President could recess appoint everyone in his administration (making the Constitutionally required Senate confirmation superfluous). So assuming there is indeed a lower limit to what can possibly be considered an adjournment, is it two days? Three?

The Office of Legal Counsel has opined in the past that the threshold is more than three days for an intrasession recess. For Obama to recess appoint someone under that threshold, it would likely require overruling his OLC again (which I doubt he would want to do). It would also be unprecedented, and challenged in court.

I think a better path might be for the executive to adopt the position that pro forma sessions don't actually break a recess into smaller parts unless a quorum can be assembled. That would require the entire Senate to remain in Washington all year round to prevent recesses (and would allow the Senate majority to ensure recesses can happen). But even that interpretation would be unprecedented and would be challenged in court.

The point is that it is not clear at all here that Obama can legally act. I hope Obama does try to recess appoint a director (and defend the decision in court) -- I'm just saying that it might not work.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 05:54 PM
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32. I don't understand the basis of the OLC's argument, since...
The constitution also grants the President the power to adjourn congress if both houses are deadlocked over adjournment. Note that the word "recess" isn't in the constitution either, it says "adjourn for a period of more than 3 days without consent of the other".

The constitution says the President can make appointments when the Senate isn't in session. If the framers wanted a lower limit, they would've set one. If they had intended it to be more than 3 days, so that the House could block the Senate from going into recess to prevent the President form making recess appointments, they wouldn't have given the President the power to adjourn congress in a deadlock.

It's unlikely that the framers were thinking about any of this when they wrote the recess appointment into the constitution. The purpose of it was to give the President the power to make appointments in a day and age when congress was in session only a few months of the year. They didn't set a lower bound because they didn't envision the President using it in a manner the Senate wouldn't approve of, since the appointments would only be valid for two years. Of course, they also didn't envision the filibuster and everything that comes with it, and maybe they would've been more specific about recess appointments if they did.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 11:21 PM
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28. Dupe n/t
Edited on Sun Jul-17-11 11:21 PM by Hippo_Tron
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 03:43 PM
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21. I never said that Congress was currently in recess. Nice try though.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 03:55 PM
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23. I did NOT say that you said that. You're welcome to reread my previos post. n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:45 PM
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10. You are correct. Nominating anybody to the CFPB is futile.
NY Times

It is not clear, however, that Mr. Cordray has a better chance of winning confirmation than Ms. Warren. Forty-four Republican senators signed a letter earlier this year refusing to vote on any nominee to lead the bureau, demanding instead that Democrats agree to overhaul the agency’s management structure, replacing a single leader with a board of directors.
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malletgirl02 Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 01:06 PM
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11. Nomination
Yes, whatever poor person Obama puts up for nomination will be in limbo.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 01:17 PM
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12. Though we'd like to see the president use his bully pulpit to fight for the agency
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 01:19 PM
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13. If they block Cordray I have a feeling Obama will recess appoint him.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 02:52 PM
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16. See comment #15. n/t
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 06:02 PM
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33. Broken indeed.
I don't see it getting any better for a long, long, long time, if ever.
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