"Politically, he has crushed the Republicans."

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2011/7/22/19486/7889

Boehner Walks Out, Again

by BooMan
Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 at 07:48:06 PM EST


All this crap between the president and Boehner went down while I was trying to cook dinner. Do you know what it's like to grill chicken in 104 degree heat? In any case, this is the end-game I've been predicting for quite some time. The president knew that Boehner couldn't deliver the votes for any plan with tax increases and so he insisted on tax increases until the very end. He's still insisting on them. At this point, some polls show as many as 80% of the people agreeing with the president's approach. The establishment media is firmly on the president's side. Pretty much any semi-casual observer is on the president's side. Politically, he has crushed the Republicans. The Senate capitulated last week. Even Boehner capitulated last week, except that he's powerless so his capitulation meant nothing. This is also what I said worried me all the way back to when I wrote about my call with the White House. What if Boehner can't deliver even a capitulation? What if he can deliver nothing?

Now we're at that point.

Grover Norquist just went on CNN and told the Republicans to cut a deal because defaulting will be a disaster. It's pretty amazing that Grover Norquist might be able to salvage the country's economy and reputation but the Speaker of the House could not.

Hopefully, Grover's act of patriotism will be enough. We'll get the McConnell deal, everyone will be unhappy, but we won't default and the debt ceiling will be off the table until after the next election. The president will have immunized himself against taking blame for the deficit; the Republicans will have scared the crap out of everyone, including their top patrons.

This outcome would be about the best we could hope for, but it does come with a price. A grand bargain would have possibly included spending cuts in the future for more stimulus now. Instead, we're stuck with this struggling economy and a bunch of attacks on next year's budget that will make the economy worse.

Choose your poison. This is what happens when the Republicans win big in an election. Horrible things happen.

and thank you!

I'm actually starting to believe that this is murder/suicide by the Pubbies (meaning the victims are us and the perp is Boehner and the Teabaggers).

Great line. :patriot:

while some 80% agree with the President approach.

they couldn't be wrong, could they?

After hearing about this I realize I was wrong In taking the word of unnamed sources.Obama clearly wanted some tax Increases on
the rich and wasn't willing to do the gutting of SS,Mediare,and Medicaid Republicans wanted.If Bohener walked away Obama clearly
Isn't giving all he wanted.

Politically this can be a win for Obama.The republicans can't say the mean old Black man wants to take away old White People's social
Security and Medicare.Democrats can still hit Republicans In the fight for Congress on the Ryan plan.And Obama can tell people he
wants to make the rich pay a little more while Republicans care only about helping the rich and corporations.

The republicans can't say the mean old Black man wants to take away old White People's social Security and Medicare.

But he did offer up SS and Medicare. And the president hasn't once brought up the Ryan plan. That was a lob pitch over the middle of the plate, and Obama watched it go by.

not interested.

I hope the Obama admin is using the GOPs inflexibility, irrational hatred and refusal to cooperate with him and ideological purity against them.

I really don't know what to think about Obama though, because he does alienate his base pretty well in the process, even if he is doing something which is smart long term. So I wouldn't call that a win.

our president and our party decided to play nice and include them in everything once we assumed power. Screw that - several of the opposition party needed indicted, and the rest of them needed ignored by the House & Senate for supporting B*sh's mess. Their popularity was embarrassingly low - why give them a seat at ANY table? Having to see Cantor and Boner in positions of power because we treated them with the respect they did not deserve has hurt our country. :mad:

with Ryan's bomb, he let them back up for next year.

so it would be "extra tasty." And the lack of Democratic Media really rolled along with all of it.

Why is Donna Brazille and MacMahon (that dorky guy on MSNBC) the featured response to Dems...where as the Repugs put literate "SPINMASTERS" all over the Cables and Networks?

Obama didn't do anything about the Media that Trashed Dems for Decades...instead he put his "Think Tank Man" in charge of the FCC which made everything worse. If Obama was who we were voting for he would have realized MEDIA WAS HIS ENEMY. But, he's not a Democrat...he's a " Charming PlaceHolder."

and thats fine with me and should be fine with most Democrats.

It is also worth considering how much damage Obama has done to his own backers by using them as as targets to soak up the Republicans machine gun fire while he played games with out lives, and our dwindling fortunes and futures.

Wining the chess match while threatening you family, holding the baby over the fire and threatening to starve grandma to distract your opponent may in the long run loose more than was gained in the short term.

It is a trick the Republicans won't soon forget and who maybe come very good at playing themselves.


Wait, they already are good at that game because they have repeatedly whupped Obama. They can afford to lose this one. In two years it will mean nothing, because Obama has assured that it will not be an issue again until after the election.

Oops.

and this total Kabuki Theater that he does whenever he wants his BIG LEGISLATION passed through that has a THINK TANK STAMP all OVER IT.

Same as the Clinton era, in my opinion.

:kick:

This is what happens when you have an unprincipled political elite and a ruthless Wall St cabal in charge of what they do. The American people are going to be crushed, if we let the system do its thing.

refreshing

teabaggers are dittoheads. norquist may be OK but limbaugh is the enforcer and the true leader of the teabaggers.