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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:52 AM
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GOP can't come up with bill to pass the House and Obama STILL thinks we can get a compromise?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:53 AM
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1. It's simple math
There aren't enough democrats to pass anything. The republicans don't have the votes. Democrats + Republicans= Something getting passed.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:57 AM
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3. LOL! The Democrats + Republicans haven't agreed on anything since Obama became President.
Are you suggesting that it's possible for the Republicans to come up with a bill that the Democrats will also like? Or, that they would even want to do it?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:00 AM
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8. It's their only choice
They need to come up with something together that will pass.
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:59 AM
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6. Its Simple for Sure
Simply stupid we are even at this juncture. Simply stupid that we squandered our control of all the branches- and now want to hand over what's left of the country to the filthy rich while the rest of us go without jobs, the poor without food...fuck it
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:56 AM
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2. A compromise without the teafuckers.
It is obvious they will never vote yes on anything. They are useless.

The President still isn't a dictator, so compromise with a few Republicans is the only realistic option left.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:58 AM
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5. So, you haven't been paying attention the past few years.
There are NO Republicans in the House that will vote with the Democrats on something this big - NONE!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:00 AM
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7. So I guess you want the president to declare himself dictator?
How should he go about doing that Constitutionally?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:33 AM
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21. Yep. He should just raise it and let them attack him for it.
They'll attack him just as hard if there was a compromise, so he should do it without giving in to Republicans disastrous cuts.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:01 AM
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9. There's going to need to be
There really isn't another option.
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:06 AM
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11. If a bill has the support of Boehner, then there are certain House Repubs that will vote for it.
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 10:10 AM by blueclown
Which is why President Obama is trying to work towards a "grand bargain".... to get a majority coalition of "moderate" (if you want to call them that) Republicans and Democrats in the House to vote for the bill.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:30 AM
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20. Boehner won't do it. As a matter of fact, he just made his latest bill even more radical.
Republicans don't live in the real world. They are crazy.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:16 AM
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15. I think it may be you hasn't been paying attention
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 10:18 AM by EffieBlack
This is no longer about whether the President compromises. Speaker Boehner MUST get something passed out of the House - he can't do it with only Republicans. HE's the one in the position of having to compromise with Democrats.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:29 AM
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19. So, I'm the one who'se not paying attention because you think Boehner will give into Democrats.
Okay.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:15 AM
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13. That's correct
The teabaggers can block Boehner's bill because they can prevent him from getting to 216. The moderate Repubs (are there any) can assist in passing a compromise bill because they can get the Dems to 216. You only need maybe 30 of them if the Dems vote as a bloc, whereas Boehner needed 216.

It's a different calculus.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:41 AM
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23. So, which Republican is going to put up a bill in the House that will get support from all Dems?
Who?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:43 AM
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24. Boehner
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:58 AM
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27. Okay. This place has officially gone crazy.
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 11:58 AM by Dawgs
You really believe that Boehner will listen to the President and give him a bill that will make him and his party look weak, and give all of the victory to the President?

Really?
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:47 AM
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26. Your moderate Republican is a myth-illogical figure
Like the lost Imam or Merlyn the Magician. During the day they hide in hollow trees, only emerging at night for the occasional fund raiser.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:57 AM
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4. He said there were many ways to get this done which signals to me that
he will use the 14th if he has to to prevent a default.

Frankly, the fact that he came out and spoke means that the tea party will dig its heels in harder. He killed any hope the thugs had of getting a bill out of the house with this press conference.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:07 AM
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12. Good
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:05 AM
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10. Yea, it means Boehner and a number of establishment/not-Tea Party Rs will have to join with Dems...
...on something that the Dems will support, most likely the Reid bill.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:16 AM
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14. Yup
The Tea Party and their Fellow Travelers will be ignored. You have to pull about 30 from the remaining pool of votes.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:26 AM
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16. If they'd decide something the Democrats and a few Repubs like it would go through.
The GOP has to allow individual Congress(wo)men to make their own decisions if they want anything decided.
There must be a few Republicans that can still think.

This total kowtowing to the lowest denominator and nothing else is what's blocking everything.

(I know. They'd rather die than allow individuals to make decisions. Well, they may get their druthers soon.)
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:41 AM
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17. He's not talking to YOU. He's sounding reasonable to the uninformed up to the time he has to
deploy his "Plan B".
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:48 AM
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18. Thank you.
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 10:50 AM by great white snark
People need to get out of DU more often. In the real world bipartisanship and compromise are appreciated and expected.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:35 AM
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22. What "bipartisanship"? Republicans get everything they want and we get nothing.
No thanks.

Pass a clean bill, or just fucking raise it, and let them attack you for it. They will anyways.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:44 AM
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25. Unrec
:rofl:
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