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NewEngland4Obama Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:17 AM
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To raise the debt ceiling the Democrats should use the Bush
Presidential Directive 51. It was written by a Republican lol! What could they say against it, they wrote it...The National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (National Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/Homeland Security Presidential Directive HSPD-20, sometimes called simply "Executive Directive 51" for short), created and signed by United States President George W. Bush on May 4, 2007, is a Presidential Directive which claims power to execute procedures for continuity of the federal government in the event of a "catastrophic emergency". Such an emergency is construed as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions." <1>
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_and_Homeland_Security_Presidential_Directive
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:20 AM
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1. That's a very interesting possibility and it's ironic that that
Presidential Directive was targeting foreign terrorists rather than our own home grown baggerists.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:22 AM
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2. That order seems redundant.
The president already had that power.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:47 PM
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5. This makes it clear, as well as the purpose.
Within a few years of taking office each president since Reagan has reviewed and revised the "continuance of government" EO, stipulating the goals, conditions, process, and termination conditions.

It makes things more gradual than just "martial law" and "fully functioning Republic." Still, the trigger is pretty extreme, and as long Congress was able to meet the president would not have that power.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:42 AM
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3. So any claimed overreach in invoking the 14th amendment would be
negated by the economic and governmental crisis that this directive would address.

The 14th amendment allows him to do it, while this directive gives him the means to do it.

He could even write it to extend the limit until beyond the next election - thus taking it out of the pre-election debate, giving the congress plenty of time to work out a deal since they will no longer be holding their hostage.

Interesting.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:45 PM
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4. If he did, he'd be writing and unilaterally passing the next budget.
He could even balance it himself by setting the taxes at whatever he wants--and, if necessary, put those criticising him in prison and suspend habeas corpus. If justice Roberts is one of them, I'm sure nobody would care.

What? You disagree? You're for the * tax cuts, for racist comments about a good president, and support Roberts? Traitor to the Constitution!

(The old "destroy the village to save it" line, revised: "destroy the republic to save it".)
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:47 PM
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6. What would the incident be?
The intent of that is clear. Now Bushco one might accuse of creating an incident, LIHOP or MIHOP or the like.

But failure of the House to pass a given bill would not be such an incident.

When it comes to godlike savings proposals, the 14th Amendment sounds better.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:48 PM
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7. The meme has left the barn.
Unfortunately, nobody gave it its rabies shots or taught it to behave. Let the logorrhea begin.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:16 PM
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8. The President shouldn't use a gimmick. And he won't.
People keep trying to pull ideas out of...well, you know where. They're not realistic and they're not going to happen.
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