Well, since America is over...

NO (D). NO (R). That is sooooo pre-election 2000 thinking. Let it go. No more voting. No reason.


This is some of what you will need, Citizen of the post-collapse:

Access and ability to store drinking and gardening water:



Year round garden:



Electical generation:




Simple transportation:



And sadly (this was America, now who knows) GUNS and ammo:




I don't think some here will be able to make the change, considering how much over the top, sometimes mean and hurtful stuff I have read here I can only imagine how it would be in a real SHTF situation.

This place was a bastion of hope...now it just despair, anger and frustration.

I hope you all do well but that's it for me...it's toxic here and there is no Democratic in here anymore...hell there ain't no U either. Just a crater.

I loved this place. Thank you all. Good luck.

Your OP shows that, but don't despair, just turn off the TV and don't read the news about the debt stuff, you'll know if it all falls down, people will be calling you. Otherwise, just read some good books, or put on some lovely soothing music!

Take care!

Thailand, costa rica are all wonderful places to live as an ex pat.

Wherever I move the first thing I will do is be able to speak the language.