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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:01 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 74
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-may-2">AJE Live Blog May 2 (today) http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/">Telegraph http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://libya-alhurra.tumblr.com/">Libya Alhurra archives and updates http://www.ustream.tv/channel/benghaziradio">Benghazi Free Radio, in Arabic (may have translators present at times) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x997044">Day 73 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Benghazi stands with their brothers and sisters calling for freedom in Syria

Photograph: Libyan Youth Movement



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21b3UfwXK7k">Scepticism over report of Gaddafi son's death - video (AJE)
The Libyan government says warplanes killed Muammar Gaddafi's youngest son - and narrowly missed the Libyan leader himself.

But NATO has denied targeting Gaddafi in air strikes on Tripoli on Saturday night.

Al Jazeera's Sue Torton reports from the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13253371">Libya crisis: Britain expels Libyan ambassador - video
The Libyan ambassador to the UK has been expelled following attacks on British embassy premises in Tripoli.

Foreign missions in Libya's capital have been targeted by crowds angry at reports that a Nato air strike had killed a son of Col Muammar Gaddafi.

A BBC team there said the UK embassy building had been completely burnt out.

The foreign secretary said the Gaddafi regime had failed in its duty to protect it and that Omar Jelban had been given 24 hours to leave the UK.


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/05/01/2263469/sen-graham-met-with-gadhafi.html#ixzz1L6vyBLi0">Cables show S.C.'s Graham met with Gadhafi in 2009
A cable from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli describes Graham's Aug. 14, 2009, meeting with Muammar Gadhafi and the Libyan dictator's son in a tent in the middle of the night.

The elder Gadhafi, tired from fasting in preparation for Ramadan, largely was silent as his son ranted that the United States had not adequately rewarded Libya for having given up its nuclear program in 2003 and for renouncing terrorism.

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During their August 2009 meeting in Tripoli, Libyan national security adviser Mutassim Gadhafi - son of Muammar - asked Graham, McCain and Lieberman to help deliver eight C-130 Hercules military transport planes Libya had purchased - in 1972.


Vile GOPers, loving their dictators. It's a familiar sentiment I see every day. Thanks to pinboy3niner for this find, I would have never seen it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/01/gaddafi-son-saif-al-arab">Gaddafi's son Saif al-Arab was well known to German police
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Earlier this year, German prosecutors dropped an investigation into allegations of arms smuggling against him. Der Spiegel reported that the police believed they had solid evidence that Saif (not to be confused with his more prominent older brother Saif al-Islam) had organised the transport of a bag containing an assault rifle, a revolver and ammunition from Munich to Paris in 2007.

Police officers told the magazine the prosecution was abandoned for political reasons and because of the fear that the Tripoli regime would retaliate against German businesses and residents. Prosecutors denied the allegation of political interference.


MedleyMisty has an http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=997044&mesg_id=1001659">interesting take on Gaddafi's family.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/01/libyans-dont-believe-gaddafi-pr">Libyans aren't fooled by Gaddafi's clownish propaganda
What do the following have in common: drug dealers, al-Qaida, Osama bin Laden, misguided youth, tribal leaders, Nescafé, hallucinatory pills (Tramadol), the CIA, al-Jazeera, the BBC, America, Israel, Denmark, Qatar, the Libyan diaspora, stray dogs, cats, rats and cockroaches?

This is just a snippet from the list of culprits that the Libyan government wants you to believe are responsible for the recent violence in Libya.

Over the last two months we have seen the feeble attempts of the media arm of the Libyan regime try to disseminate pro-Gaddafi propaganda and enhance its stature both abroad and with Libyan civilians via the state television.

State TV broadcasts hours of talk shows every day inviting guests to talk about the current situation. They often have zero insight into the atrocities being committed and some well-known guests have even claimed that dead saints and demons fight amongst the ranks of Gaddafi's forces.


These Libyan Revolution threads can corroborate everything that this article says. Just read the reports. I was particularly fascinatd by the "dead saints and demons" allegation, which was posted early on in these threads.



http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=730234&mesg_id=731532

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/cf-libya-canada/20110317/?hub=WinnipegHome">Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFOSN00509220110318">Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-18/la-belgique-prete-a-une-operation-militaire-en-libye-828970.php">Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/776/?SID=e80884adc09a37d26904578a9b5978cb">Run-up for Western world’s next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/51229-denmark-ready-for-action-against-gaddafi.html">Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19libya.html?src=twrhp">Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action ‘Soon’ Italy: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72G2HE20110317">Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467">Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya-1.2765122">Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: http://www.smh.com.au/world/military-strikes-on-libya-within-hours-20110318-1bzii.html?from=smh_sb">Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/03/19/2801s627320.htm">Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://english.libya.tv/2011/04/25/eastern-libyans-believe-in-national-unity-distrust-au-and-turkish-mediation-survey-reveals/">The first free public opinion poll ever conducted in Libya reveals clues to Eastern Libyan sentiments
* 98 percent of the respondents do not support the division of Libya as a part of the political solution for the current conflict with the Gaddafi regime. Around 95 percent also don’t see any role for Gaddafi or his sons in a transitional period, and think it is impossible to implement any political reform in Libya if Gaddafi or one of his sons stays in power

* Around 96 percent of those polled, believe that the 17th of February revolution can consolidate the national unity of Libya and support the model of a democratic Libya based on a constitution which respects human rights

* Al-Qaeda has not played any role in the 17th of February revolution, say 94 percent of the Eastern Libyans, and 91 percent thinks it’s impossible for Al-Qaeda to play any political role in the new Libya

* The National Transitional Council is seen by 92 percent of those surveyed as “expressing the views and wishes of Libyans for change”


This is equivalent to 17% the entire population of Libya, doing the numbers very conservatively.


http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2011/03/2011328194855872276.html">Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/31/getting_libyas_rebels_wrong">Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/04/04/110404taco_talk_anderson#ixzz1HvS7iW22">Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, I’ve spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shabab—the young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and black—the suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/29/vision-democratic-libya-interim-national-council">A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.


http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2011/04/20/left-slipping-towards-qaddafi">The left: slipping towards Qaddafi?
When the revolt against Qaddafi started in Libya, hardly anyone on the left — however broadly defined — could say anything in defence of Qaddafi.

With the start of the "no-fly zone", many on the left started to sideline the issues within Libya and focus their efforts on denouncing NATO.

Now the denunciation of NATO, in turn, is acting as a lever to introduce defence of Qaddafi and denunciation of the rebels into broad-left discourse.

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Everything is done by insinuation and sarcasm, just as old-style Stalinists used to deflect criticism of the USSR by studied wondering whether the regime was quite as bad as extreme Western right-wingers used to say, or whether the right-wingers' motives for criticism might be suspect.


http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/is-qaddafi-an-anti-racist/">Is Qaddafi an anti-racist?

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One of the signs that you are dealing with a cruder form of propaganda is if the author does not bother to address evidence that contradicts his or her own. To be taken seriously on the question of Qaddafi’s commitment to pan-African values, you have to take a close look at his overall record, something that does not interest Forte who is so anxious to tilt the scales in favor of Qaddafi that he does not bother to conceal the fact that his hand rests upon the scale.

...



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:02 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 12:02am Monday, May 2
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:22 PM
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2. This appears to be significant rumor (corrected)
Edited on Sun May-01-11 05:34 PM by tabatha
carolv27‎ RT @libyandictator: CORRECTION: Reports that Almahdi alarabi has been captured in Zawyat Almahjoub, #Misrata. (Even better..) #Libya #Feb17
Twitter - 2 minutes ago

UNCONFIRMED: Misrata: Reports that Mahdi Al-Arabi was captured in Misrata's outskirts yesterday - VERY IMPORTANT REGIME FIGURE #libya #feb17

His position is: Deputy Chief of Staff of the Armed Libyan Forces (apparently). I don't know too much, but saw a bunch of tweets that seemed to think it was important.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:25 PM
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4. Yes, that would be big!
Edited on Sun May-01-11 05:28 PM by joshcryer
But for now I will treat it as a rumor. No offense!

:hi: :hug:

If true it will be huge, though, I completely agree!
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:30 PM
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5. Why is this so important?
Edited on Sun May-01-11 05:33 PM by Yosarian71
It seems like the rebels pushed back regime troops on all sides of Misrata today.

Is Mahdi Al-Arabi just another Gadhafi general?

Edit: It is rumored he was captured in Zawiya. Is that possible?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:33 PM
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7. Chief of Staff
If true it would be like getting Cheney.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:23 PM
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3. Libya says regrets attacks on foreign embassies
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7400IU20110501">Libya says regrets attacks on foreign embassies
TRIPOLI May 1 (Reuters) - Libya's government said on Sunday it regretted the attacks on several European embassies, saying its police force was overpowered by crowds angered by a NATO airstrike that killed the son of Muammar Gaddafi.


Short excerpt because the article is short.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:32 PM
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6. Libya Alhurra is live now, discussing Nasfua Mountains (with Mo's wife):
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:46 PM
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8. I see you signed up - awesome.
Town Cryer, huh?
Perditta sounds amazing.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:48 PM
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10. Ha, we posted around the same time!
Yes, I did. Are you signed up there? :hi:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:57 PM
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13. Nope, and probably won't.
I think you would be quite at home with your generation over there!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:47 PM
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9. Chat over, Nasfua Mountains doing very well.
Misrata is still under grad rocket attacks from the west and NATO was given coordinates, but haven't been taken out yet. I finally signed up to the chat, got a very nice welcome. Feels nice to be treated with respect over the Libyan Revolution (though this thread has been a bastion of joy for me, it's been rough).
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:57 PM
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14. I saw you link to the thread
That's awesome. *waves hi to everyone* Libyans rock! Libya Hurra! :)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:50 PM
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11. Libyan villagers seek refuge in Tunisia
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c915e424-742b-11e0-b788-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1L8s2mr40">Libyan villagers seek refuge in Tunisia
More than 35,000 Libyan villagers have crossed into Tunisia through the Dehiba border crossing in the far south of the country, as fighting continues between rebels and forces loyal to Muammer Gaddafi, the Libyan leader, in the Nafusa mountain range of western Libya.

Shells fired by pro-Gaddafi forces on Sunday landed in the Tunisian border town of Dehiba, about three kilometres from the border itself.

Most of the shells landed in the outskirts of the town, where there are few houses, and no casualties were reported, according to news agencies.

Local Tunisian hospitals nonetheless find themselves treating casualties from both sides in the conflict.


There is no justification for firing on another country.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 05:56 PM
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12. Rumor on Twitter
Which, as always, is just rumor - is that the Tunisian army is digging trenches and deploying troops to the area.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 06:11 PM
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15. 1st Report Of The Prosecutor Of The ICC To The UNSC Pursuant To UNSCR 1970 (2011)
Edited on Sun May-01-11 06:14 PM by joshcryer
http://imtidadblog.com/icc1_eg.pdf (PDF)

edit: tabatha not sure if you've seen this but it's a start, I thought it was just procedural but as I read it they are beginning to make the case, it's not just procedural.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 07:44 PM
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23. Thanks, reading it now.
There is an interesting discussion on Al Jazeera now why Syria was not attacked and Libya was.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 06:18 PM
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16. Embassy damage in Tripoli (video)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 06:26 PM
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17. Libya: life in Misrata amid civil war - video
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 06:42 PM
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18. AudioBoo: Describes "big attack" by #Gaddafi forces today in the Nafusa Mountain region.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 07:00 PM
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19. Al Jazeera's Tony Birtley reports from Benghazi (video AJE)
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 07:02 PM
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20. @AlmanaraMedia ...between #Jalu and #Ajdabiyah.
Almanara Libya

On Saturday 30th April 2011, @AlmanaraMedia said:

Press Solidarity: Freedom Fighters were able to ambush #Gaddafi forces between #Jalu and #Ajdabiyah.

Today (30/04/2011) 80 Vehicles of Gaddafi Forces entered the city of Jalu and clashes took place between these forces and Freedom fighters in Jalu which resulted in 4 Martyrs and the Forces ran away to #Awjla city. The people of Awjla were forced to go out in a protest supporting Gaddafi and then they left the city.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 07:31 PM
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21. Resistance in the West
http://english.libya.tv/2011/05/01/resistance-in-the-west-2/">Resistance in the West
People sent me emails with poems and uplifting messages telling me not to cry and be brave for Libya and the Libyan people. I felt the colossal responsibility I carry on the air each and every night as I was supposed to be the rock for my people who are under Gaddafi’s savage merciless attack.

Three callers made me promise on the air not to cry again and be strong saying, “Your tears are precious”. My love for Libya and the kindness of our brave men and women grew even bigger.

More interesting was a call from a young woman from Tripoli who belonged to the same tribe as Gaddafi. She was very proud of her tribe articulated how Gaddafi doesn’t represent her tribe and they are all against him and the “atrocities” he is committing against our people in Libya. She confirmed the concentrated Gaddafi forces in Tripoli and the tight grip they had on the people especially at the gas stations where people wait for hours to fill up their cars.

Another caller from Tripoli stated that he was proud of our channel and thanked God for finally having a voice. He was also proud to share with us the continued secret operations his group is involved in such as changing the names of two schools by painting the new names Ali Hassan Jabber School & the Martyrs School instead of the old names that were obsequious to the Gaddafi regime.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 07:42 PM
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22. Libyans aren't fooled by Gaddafi's clownish propaganda
Edited on Sun May-01-11 07:44 PM by tabatha
What do the following have in common: drug dealers, al-Qaida, Osama bin Laden, misguided youth, tribal leaders, Nescafé, hallucinatory pills (Tramadol), the CIA, al-Jazeera, the BBC, America, Israel, Denmark, Qatar, the Libyan diaspora, stray dogs, cats, rats and cockroaches?

This is just a snippet from the list of culprits that the Libyan government wants you to believe are responsible for the recent violence in Libya.

Over the last two months we have seen the feeble attempts of the media arm of the Libyan regime try to disseminate pro-Gaddafi propaganda and enhance its stature both abroad and with Libyan civilians via the state television.

State TV broadcasts hours of talk shows every day inviting guests to talk about the current situation. They often have zero insight into the atrocities being committed and some well-known guests have even claimed that dead saints and demons fight amongst the ranks of Gaddafi's forces.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/01/libyans-dont-believe-gaddafi-pr?mobile-redirect=false
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 08:24 PM
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24. Just found this video
Edited on Sun May-01-11 08:24 PM by MedleyMisty
It's a sort of We Are the World style of a group singing a song from another video that was posted in a previous thread.

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=121060807973941&oid=195440270494492
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 08:30 PM
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25. Libya Alhurra is live again, translator present:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 08:37 PM
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26. Translation (it's replaying now):
http://pasteit.com/19

Basically Misrata under fire yet again.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 08:48 PM
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27. UAE Air Force Mirage 2000s performing air strikes in Libya?
http://cencio4.wordpress.com/works/uae-air-force-mirage-2000s-carrying-bombs/">UAE Air Force Mirage 2000s performing air strikes in Libya?
The following interesting pictures were taken on May 1, 2011, at 14.06Z by Antonio Di Franco, from his home, located a few kilometres to the south east of Sigonella airbase. The images show two UAE Air Force Mirage 2000s carrying a Damocles targeting pod and an MBDA PGM-500 500lbs guided bomb (“Hakim”) along with two MICA air-to-air missiles.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 09:02 PM
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28. air-to-air?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 09:55 PM
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29.  Awaiting safe passage from Misrata's bloody war
http://blogs.channel4.com/world-news-blog/awaiting-safe-passage-from-misratas-bloody-war/16019">Awaiting safe passage from Misrata's bloody war
We’re sitting at the harbour master’s office perched on a dusty hill. To one side the Mediterranean shimmering in the heat, to the other the ghost like empty harbour.

A vast silent grain elevator, idle grim painted tug boats, huge silent container cranes and in the haze the three now cold blast furnaces of Misrata’s deserted steel works.

We’ve come up to this hillside because waiting at the closed dock gates is not a good idea. We were woken, several miles away, earlier this morning, by a volley of Grad missiles fired into the harbour area by Colonel Gaddafi’s forces.

So they say we are safe up on our little hillside, surrounded by late spring flowers growing in the sand dunes and swallows languidly hawking flies.
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 10:55 PM
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30. Osama bin Laden and the Tyrants
Tonight is a great day for America and a great day for the world.

It is also important to realize that every tyrant that gets overthrown by a democratic revolution makes al Qaeda more irrelevant. THAT is why Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Algeria are so important. Because every Muslim country that wrests control of its own future from the oppressive regimes of the Middle East is a beacon to the Arab world away from the cynical, destructive, hateful ideology of al Qaeda.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:28 PM
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31. The Libyans on Twitter are certainly happy about it
Edited on Sun May-01-11 11:29 PM by MedleyMisty
Rumors of a celebration in Benghazi.

Lots of "Gaddafi next!" and "It really sucks to be a bad guy this year." And my favorite - "Now where do we get our Nescafe?"

And yep - I've also seen talk about the Muslim world entering a new age.
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:42 PM
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32. If you want American troops to come home
If you want America out of the Middle East forever, we need to seize this moment. The Arabs are taking control of their own future, and they are giving their lives to do it. If we can help them, give them a push, to help take out Gadhafi, stabilize Iraq, and maybe give the Syrians the tools they need to knock out Assad, it will mean fewer American boots on foreign soil in the future.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-01-11 11:52 PM
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33. Sounds good to me
Now if we can get that message across to the people who see helping the Libyans as equivalent to invading Iraq.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:03 AM
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34. Strike on Libya came after West intercepted high-level communications
By David S. Cloud and Patrick J. McDonnell, Los Angeles Times

May 2, 2011

Reporting from Washington and Benghazi, Libya—

A NATO missile strike that Libyan officials say killed one of Moammar Kadafi's sons and three of his grandchildren was launched after Western intelligence intercepted high-level communications from the site, NATO and U.S. military officers said.

Up to three missiles slammed into what appears to have been an upscale villa in Tripoli late Saturday after "clear indications from signals" that the Libyan regime was using it to communicate with military units to carry out attacks against rebel-held areas, said a senior NATO officer.

"Signals intelligence" is a term for various forms of personal and electronic communications, including cellphone conversations and email. It wasn't clear if intelligence operations had detected Kadafi's voice or had intercepted other communications by him or his aides.

The building "had been disguised as a residence but was really a C2 bunker," the North Atlantic Treaty Organization officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was discussing intelligence, said Sunday. "It just so happened certain folks were there."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-violence-20110502,0,4826785.story

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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:17 AM
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35. Let the Libyans take care of Gadhafi
NATO needs to knock out the rocket batteries.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:29 AM
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37. NATO was going after the central communications
Because without instructions, the troops in the field will not be coordinated.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:30 AM
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38. Yep.
Short of leveling a city block they aren't going to get Gaddafi.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:13 AM
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40. Photos that attest to that...
"Lots of antennas"


Posted by jakeXT http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4833625&mesg_id=4834417">here

Plus, constructed using heavily reinforced concrete, as per a "C2 bunker".

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:29 AM
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36. Shell in Misurata Adds to a City's Grim Toll
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11122/1143500-82-0.stm?cmpid=nationworld.xml">Shell in Misurata Adds to a City's Grim Toll
MISURATA, Libya -- On the night he would die, Muhammad Abdulhamid Sbikhee, a night watchman at a local school, was at home with his wife and their seven children. They shared a small, ground-floor apartment that opened to a tiny yard that opened in turn to an urban dirt alley.

Misurata had been shelled for several weeks running, and Mr. Sbikhee, a quiet man with a thick gray beard, was both worried and prepared, a neighbor and his wife said.

His children's two bedrooms faced the direction from where many of the high-explosive shells and rockets from the forces loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi had been fired. Around 10:30 p.m. Saturday, when more shells began landing and exploding in his neighborhood, Mr. Sbikhee and his older son sent his children, ages 1 to 17, to the other side of their apartment. He told them to hurry through the kitchen, outside, across the narrow slot of open sky, and to sleep on cushions he had arranged in a storage room near the cement wall beside the alley.

His instincts were good. It was safer there. Then he returned inside, to the bedroom he shared with his wife, Soad Warayeth. The artillery shell met him there.


Osama killed. Meanwhile, Misrata still shelled indiscriminately.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:35 AM
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39. I wish NATO would take the tanks out..
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:02 AM
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48. His attacks are getting weaker and weaker
They are little more than suicide missions for his troops now. Twitter world exploded last night with rumors of a 60k man army and 100+ tanks with the potential of mustard gas. The reality is a few hundred unreliable conscripts with 5 tanks.
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catchnrelease Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:14 AM
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41. K&R
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:16 AM
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42. Kadhafi caricature flourishes in rebel capital


By Rory Mulholland (AFP) – 2 hours ago

BENGHAZI, Libya — Moamer Kadhafi pumping petrol into a winged camel, Kadhafi with the tail of a snake and a forked tongue, Kadhafi as Dracula.

The flamboyant Libyan strongman is fuelling a flourishing cartoon caricature scene in the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.

Those are just a few of the themes produced by a group of young artists who reached not for their guns but for their coloured pens and spray cans when Libya's revolution kicked off in mid-February.

One of them paid for it with his life, gunned down by secret police.

The group now goes by the name of their dead colleague, Qais al-Halali, and continues its work from a ramshackle office in a makeshift media centre next to the rebel headquarters on the city's seafront.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5grTyorId23nSahF5vQidwhE-ogYA?docId=CNG.b90089cb488b64b8bb88c2cd05aa8f87.2b1







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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:56 AM
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43. A legitimate target
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/8487429/A-legitimate-target.html">A legitimate target
The reported deaths in a Nato air strike of a son of Muammar Gaddafi and three of his grandchildren has moved the battle for control of Libya on to a new plane. Mobs have sacked the British and Italian embassies in Tripoli, Britain has expelled Libya's ambassador in London, and Russian criticism of the coalition has intensified. Yet this should not come as a surprise. UN Security Council Resolution 1973 authorised "all necessary measures", a phrase allowing broad interpretation, to stop Col Gaddafi killing civilians.

From obvious targets such as tanks on the road to Benghazi, Nato has moved on to strike what it calls "command and control" centres: that is, any point from which government action against the rebels is being prosecuted. As the chief prosecutors are Col Gaddafi and his immediate entourage, they have become legitimate targets, whatever the coalition may say about targeting structures and not individuals.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:06 AM
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44. Colonel Bani: Gaddafi should face Bin Laden’s fate
http://english.libya.tv/2011/05/02/colonel-bani-gaddafi-should-face-bin-ladens-fate/">Colonel Bani: Gaddafi should face Bin Laden’s fate
Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi should face the same fate as al Qaeda’s Osama bin Laden who was killed in a firefight with U.S. forces, a Libyan rebel spokesman said today.

We are very happy and we are waiting for the next step. We want the Americans to do the same to Gaddafi,” said military spokesman for the National Transitional Council Colonel Ahmed Bani.

We know Osama bin Laden is fighting against us, he is our enemy also,” he said, adding that Libyan pro-democracy fighters had evidence al Qaeda sympathisers had been fighting against them.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:39 AM
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51. We are very happy and we are waiting for the next step.
This Bani is a colonel? A military leader? Seriously?

"We are very happy and we are waiting for the next step." This is not exactly the go-getter gung-ho attitude that inspires action. This guy is no leader.

"We want the Americans to do the same to Gaddafi." Well, this shows he's smart enough to realize that the rebel force is incompetent, incapable of doing the job. He and the rebels are completely helpless, dependent on NATO to spoon-feed them with every victory, every advance. They do look heroic, however, shooting their guns in the air, wasting ammunition.

If Qaddafi is ousted or assassinated, NATO and the US will need to provide military support for a long time, or some force like Al Qaeda or Taliban will just wipe out the National Transitional Council and the provisional governing pretenders.

Quagmire.
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:58 AM
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55. Those Misrata and Nafusa rebels are real wimps
Fighting tanks with WWI rifles and fertilizer bombs is easy.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:30 PM
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66. I'm sure they're not wimps, just incompetent
unskilled in fighting tanks, untrained, inexperienced, and without good military leadership.

Fighting tanks with WW1 rifles is not easy.

Fighting tanks by proxy, phoning for help from NATO planes and missiles, whining because all that help is still not enough to overcome their limitations, that's maybe easier.

We just keep getting sucked into this, way beyond the original idea of a no-fly zone.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 03:50 PM
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72. If they are so incompetent, how
did they manage to clear the center of Misrata from Gaddafi troops?

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:18 AM
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45. Gaddafi forces launch new armored incursion into Misrata Monday
Forces loyal to Gaddafi launched a new armoured incursion into the besieged rebel city Misrata on Monday after overnight clashes killed at least six people, the rebels said.

"Gaddafi's tanks are attempting to enter the city through Al-Ghiran," a southwestern suburb near the airport of Libya's third largest city, a rebel official said.

At least four or five tanks, which had been concealed at the government-held airport to avoid NATO air attacks, were engaged in the offensive, another rebel official said.

AFP correspondents in the Mediterranean port city heard heavy tank fire from 6 am (0400 GMT), answered by heavy machinegun fire from the rebels. "We have counted six dead and several dozen wounded," a medical official told AFP at around 9:30 am (0730 GMT) after the overnight clashes

10:16am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-may-2






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:40 AM
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46. Syrian crackdown on Daraa worse than Libya?

Source: Australian Broadcasting Corporation




Eleanor Hall reported this story on Monday, May 2, 2011 12:31:00

...


Doctor Murhaf Jouejati is a professor of International Politics at Georgetown University who was an advisor to the Syrian delegation to the Middle East peace talks during the 1990s. He says he has been shocked that the protests are continuing in the face of the Syrian regime's crackdown.


MURHAF JOUEJATI: It is, of course, in the history of Syria unprecedented and here I have to say I am in awe and absolute admiration of those protesters who are going there day after day with their bare chests to take the bullets of the army and the security forces so it is absolutely stunning that it is keeping the momentum that it has.

...


ELEANOR HALL: Is this on a par with say the siege of Misurata by the Libyan government?

MURHAF JOUEJATI: I think this is worse in that Misurata is getting a lot of attention. There are journalists that are able to go to Libya from the side of the protesters.

Here the people of Daraa are alone. Even those protesters, demonstrators that want to come in from neighbouring towns and villages in order to help to supply food are being kept away by the security forces. So here you do have a town that is truly is on its own and is receiving no assistance from anyone anywhere.

If they are unchecked and they continue carrying out these mass arrests and this collective punishment, what we have is a genocidal situation.

ELEANOR HALL: People say it couldn't reach the horror of the situation in the 1980s but do you think it could get to that point?

MURHAF JOUEJATI: The difference between now and the 1980s is that people discovered it after the fact. This is happening before our very eyes so the situation is not very similar to Hama but the results are going to be equally dire if they receive no assistance.

...


http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3205342.htm








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:58 AM
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47. NATO: Gadhafi son's death unconfirmed

Source: McClatchy Newspapers

May 2, 2011
BY NANCY A. YOUSSEF


BENGHAZI, Libya -- NATO has found no evidence to support claims by the Libyan government that an air strike in Tripoli killed Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's second-youngest son and three grandchildren, two military officials said Sunday.

What the Libyan government called a residence -- where the son, Seif al-Arab Gadhafi, and three grandchildren lived when the structure was struck Saturday night -- was, in fact, a command and control center with a bunker underneath, the NATO and U.S. officials said. They were speaking on the condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly about NATO's findings.

...


The officials said they couldn't say the regime was lying, simply that they couldn't confirm the claims. Privately, however, officials at the Pentagon suggested that the regime said that civilians and children died by a NATO strike to further divide an already conflicted international community over its effort in Libya.

...


http://www.freep.com/article/20110502/NEWS07/105020332/NATO-Gadhafi-son-s-death-unconfirmed






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:15 AM
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49. Ajdabiyah: Stalemate leaves frontline Libyan rebel city deserted

Source: AFP




RORY MULHOLLAND AJDABIYA, LIBYA - May 02 2011 11:18

...


The frontline is a few kilometres west of the town, on a desert highway where a small band of volunteer warriors have built berms and dug trenches and keep watch for signs that Gaddafi's troops might be headed their way.

...


"We drove west towards Brega a few days ago and engaged Gaddafi's troops on the road," said Abdullah Salah, a rebel commander at the front. He declined to give details but said a few of his men were injured in the skirmish.

...


Nato firepower from the air is helping keep the status quo as the ragtag rebels regroup and train -- with the help of military advisors sent by France, Britain and Italy -- for what they hope will be a push west.


The fighters here were ebullient, boasting that they would soon be marching on the Libyan capital to bring an end to Gaddafi's 41-year-old rule.

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http://mg.co.za/article/2011-05-02-stalemate-leaves-frontline-libyan-rebel-city-deserted








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:38 AM
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50. Libyan students at OSU feel effects of civil war

Source: The Columbus Dispatch




Monday, May 2, 2011 03:09 AM
By Encarnacion Pyle

...


Now, about 2,500 Libyan students at Ohio State University and other North American colleges face losing scholarship money needed to finish their degrees.

The United States froze $30 billion in Libyan assets in February. Shortly afterward, students from the north African country were told there would be no scholarship money after May 31.

...


"It's a really, really bad situation," Ako-Adounvo said. "Sadly, some students might be forced to return home, despite fears for themselves or their families."

Some students have reported being threatened by Libyan officials for supporting the rebels who are leading the uprising against dictator Moammar Gadhafi.

Students can try to seek asylum or prove they have a severe economic hardship so they can get a job off-campus, Robinson said. But the best solution would be for the U.S. government to grant Libyans "temporary protected status" so they can't be deported while their homeland is racked by civil war.


http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/05/02/libyan-students-at-osu-feel-effects-of-civil-war.html?sid=101








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:37 AM
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52. NATO airstrikes destroy at least 10 tanks/vehicles around Zintan overnight--rebel spokesman
NATO launched airstrikes overnight on positions held by Libyan government forces near the rebel-held town of Zintan and destroyed at least 10 tanks and vehicles, a rebel spokesman said on Monday.

"NATO struck last night in an eastern area of the town. We counted 12 missiles that landed there. A total of 10-12 tanks and vehicles were destroyed," the spokesman, called Abdulrahman, told Reuters by telephone from Zintan.

2:21pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-may-2






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:47 AM
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53. Libyan refugees tell of border fight, fear revenge

Source: Reuters




Mon May 2, 2011 11:20am GMT
By Tarek Amara


DEHIBA, Tunisia -

...


Artillery shells fell on and around the town of Dehiba on the Tunisian side of the border, residents told Reuters, the site of an incursion on Friday by forces loyal to Gaddafi that provoked fury in Libya's western neighbour.

...


"I HOPE THIS WILL END"


The spokesman, called Abdulrahman, told Reuters by telephone that NATO aircraft had bombed positions held by government forces, saying he heard aircraft overhead, followed by two explosions, one of which destroyed a tank near the town.

"The military has been trying to enter the town from three sides: the east, southeast and northeast. The revolutionaries managed to repel an attack from the east," he said.

Saleh Aouni, a Libyan from the town of Yafran, which has been under siege by pro-Gaddafi forces for weeks told Reuters after he crossed into Tunisia: "We can no longer live there ... Not an hour goes by without shelling."

In tears, he said: "I hope this will end and I can return to a Libya without Gaddafi."

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http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE74103S20110502?sp=true








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 08:48 AM
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54. Reuters WRAPUP 2-Gaddafi forces pound Misrata port, hamper aid

Mon May 2, 2011 7:25am EDT

* Govt troops bombard Misrata port

* British and Italian embassies attacked and burned

* U.N. withdraws its international staff from Tripoli



By Lin Noueihed


TRIPOLI, May 2 (Reuters) - Libyan government forces bombarded the port of rebel-held Misrata with rockets and shellfire on Monday, disrupting operations to bring supplies in by sea to the besieged city.

...


"The port is under heavy shelling today too, they have fired around 100 rockets so far. The shelling on Misrata has not stopped in the past 36 hours," the spokesman, who identified himself as Hassan al-Misrati, told Reuters by telephone.


"It seems that NATO have forgotten about us and this has emboldened the Gaddafi forces."

...


French surgeon Gerrard Le Clouerec, who does not work for the Libyan government, was asked to independently identify the bodies of Saif al-Arab, 29, and two children. He said all three had died due to a blast but the children's faces had been obliterated so they were difficult to identify.


Le Clouerec said he also saw the body of a young man of about 30, with a beard and a thin moustache whose face matched a photograph he had been shown of Saif al-Arab.


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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/libya-idUSLDE74112N20110502








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:23 AM
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56. Second Contact Group meeting on Libya - Rome, 5 May 2011--(TNC rep invited to speak)
(Press Release)

The Second Contact Group meeting on Libya will be taking place in Rome on 5 May 2011.

The event will be co-chaired by the Italian Minister for Foreign Affairs, Franco Frattini, and the Prime Minister and Minister for Foreign Affairs of Qatar, Sheik Hamad Bin Jassim Bin Jabr Al-Thani.

A representative of Libya's Transitional National Council will be invited to deliver a speech to those taking part in the meeting.

http://pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=710393&Itemid=29






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:30 AM
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57. Syrian army conducts widespread raids, arrests

Source: AP




By ZEINA KARAM – 26 mins ago


BEIRUT – Syrian troops conducted door-to-door raids in cities and towns across the nation Monday, arresting scores of people in a campaign of intimidation aimed at crushing the six-week uprising against President Bashar Assad's authoritarian regime, activists said.

Rami Abdul-Rahman, head of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said hundreds of people had been arrested over the past two days alone. He said the arrests often included several members of the same family.

"The arrests are ongoing, from the besieged southern city of Daraa to the country's north and passing through the suburbs of Damascus," he said.

...


Rights groups say at least 545 Syrians have been killed since authorities began their crackdown on the uprising.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_syria








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:42 AM
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58. Large loyalist crowd reportedly buries Gaddafi son
Large Libyan crowd including two of Muammar Gaddafi's sons bury the Libyan leader's youngest son, Saif al-Arab, who was <claimed by a Gaddafi regime spokesman to have been> killed along with three of Gaddafi's grandchildren as a result of a NATO airstrike on Saturday night.

3:30pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-may-2






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:09 AM
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59. Al Jazeera journalist missing in Syria



Last Modified: 02 May 2011 12:05


Al Jazeera demands information from Syria on whereabouts of journalist missing since arriving in Damascus on Friday.



Dorothy Parvaz arrived in Damascus via a Qatar Airways flight from Doha on Friday afternoon



Al Jazeera has demanded immediate information from Syria about one of its journalists who has been missing in the country since Friday afternoon.

Dorothy Parvaz left Doha, Qatar, for Syria on Friday to help cover events currently taking place in the country. However, there has been no contact with the 39-year-old since she disembarked from a Qatar Airways flight in Damascus.

Parvaz is an American, Canadian and Iranian citizen. She joined Al Jazeera in 2010 and recently reported on the Japanese earthquake and tsunami for the network.

...


An Al Jazeera spokesman said: “We are concerned for Dorothy’s safety and wellbeing. We are requesting full cooperation from the Syrian authorities to determine how she was processed at the airport and what her current location is. We want her returned to us immediately.”

...


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/05/20115211460620208.html








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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:16 AM
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60. Libyan speaks out about brutality and current life in Tripoli under Gaddaffi
According to a Libyan government spokesman, Muammar Gaddafi's youngest son, Saif al-Arab, was killed during a NATO airstrike on Saturday, April 30. It was reported that three of Gaddafi's grandchildren were also killed. Gadaffi was not harmed.

In an exclusive interview with eTN, a Libyan travel agent spoke with publisher Juergen Thomas Steinmetz about the incident and about what life has been like in Libya since February 25 when political unrest broke out in the country. eTN is not naming the agent. The agent is known to eTN and has been a reader of the eTN newsletter for many years.

Juergen Thomas Steinmetz (eTN): Hello there. How are you? There’s a lot of news in Libya. I hope you're fine and healthy.

TA: I am not sure if this chat is not monitored as well.

eTN: If you're not in Libya, you should be fine. If you're in Libya, it's very difficult to control SKYPE on a satellite , it's not like SMS.

TA: Let me tell you something - are you in Libya or not anymore?

http://mcaf.ee/gwzxs
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:24 AM
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62. Oh wow
Thank you for posting that.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:23 AM
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61. Residents of Benghazi celebrated the death of Bin Laden
http://youtu.be/7Xs_wnp9pfY

A rebel leader said that Al Qaeda was an opportunist, blamed for the bad reputation of Muslims. Muammar Gaddafi came to blame members of al Qaeda in North Africa by the campaign against his government.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:56 AM
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63. Mourners demand revenge in Libya after NATO strike

Source: AP




By KARIN LAUB and BEN HUBBARD, Associated Press – 56 mins ago


TRIPOLI, Libya – Mourners shouted for revenge Monday as some 2,000 people in the Libyan capital greeted a funeral procession carrying Moammar Gadhafi's second youngest son, who officials say was killed in a NATO airstrike.

The crowd jostled to get close to Seif al-Arab Gadhafi's coffin as it was taken out of a black hearse and placed near a cemetery in Tripoli. Some people prayed, some flashed victory signs and others shouted at the top of their lungs.

"Revenge, revenge for you Libya," shouted the crowd around the coffin, which was draped in the green Libyan flag and was topped with a wreath of flowers that were wilting in the heat. "We demand revenge for our martyrs."

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_libya_346








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:16 AM
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64. Saif al-Arab: A playboy known for his hard-living ways

Source; The Independent




Monday, 2 May 2011

...


During the weeks of Nato airstrikes, Saif al-Arab was conspicuous by his absence as his siblings were wheeled out for propaganda purposes and to attack the policies of the West. It was perhaps unsurprising considering his colourful track record. In US diplomatic cables detailing the excesses of the regime and its fractious first family, there are few mentions of the 29-year-old – other than for his hard-living ways – with the focus instead on the struggle for succession between his more ambitious brothers.

One cable, written by the US ambassador to Tripoli, Gene Cretz, in March 2009 and published by the WikiLeaks website, describes him as the least publicly known of the Gaddafi children. "He lives in Munich, where he pursues ill-defined business interests and spends much time partying."

While partying, it appeared that Saif al-Arab got into several scrapes that attracted the attention of the police. He appeared in the pages of the German media in 2006 when he was reportedly involved in a scuffle at a Munich nightclub. An article the following year suggested that he fought with a bouncer who tried to throw out his female companion when she began to undress on the dancefloor.

In 2007, his house and hotel suite were raided by police over allegations of illegally possessing weapons. Bavaria's Interior Ministry said last month that in the four years to 2010, he was investigated on 10 counts ranging from speeding to bodily harm. All the investigations against him were dropped.

...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/saif-alarab-a-playboy-known-for-his-hardliving-ways-2277677.html








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:15 PM
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65. Sons of the Revolution: Can a ragtag civilian army defeat a dictator?


Source: The New Yorker




Letter from Libya

by Jon Lee Anderson May 9, 2011


...


At the clinic, most of the medical staff had evacuated after an ambulance was hit by a shell, killing one of their doctors and several nurses. A lone doctor remained, along with Osama, who was friendly, and spoke extraordinarily good English. A rangy man of forty-eight with warm brown eyes and an aquiline face that resembled a beardless Abraham Lincoln’s, he showed off his ambulance. To aid the war effort, he and some friends had adapted a Toyota Land Cruiser pickup into a mobile emergency-treatment center. The vehicle, painted white with a red crescent, was parked at the clinic entrance, where Osama was busily cleaning it.


When I asked Osama how he had learned English, he said, “I’m from Martinsville, Virginia.” He was Libyan, but his wife, Suzi, was half American. A onetime Libyan Arab Airlines engineer, Osama had, with Suzi, raised four children in Benghazi. But in the nineties, with Libya isolated by international sanctions because of Qaddafi’s refusal to hand over suspects in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, Osama had struggled to make a living. In 2007, after the sanctions had been lifted, he moved with his family to Henry County, Virginia, near where Suzi’s mother lived. There, he found he could make money by exporting construction equipment to Benghazi, and he flew back and forth to supervise the business. With pride, Osama told me that he had become a U.S. citizen, and was now a member of Henry County’s volunteer fire department.


His wife and their two young daughters were in Virginia, he explained, but he and his two sons were in Libya, doing whatever they could for the revolution. While Osama was driving his improvised ambulance, his younger son, Yousef, a seventeen-year-old high-school student who was living in Benghazi with a relative, was taking part in the rallies held daily in front of the revolution’s headquarters, a beat-up courthouse on the city’s seafront promenade. Muhannad, his elder son, a twenty-one-year-old medical student, was fighting at the front. Osama’s description of Muhannad reminded me that a few days before, in Ras Lanuf, I had noticed a young Libyan-American fighter, fair-haired and blue-eyed. He was wearing a mujahideen-style pakul cap, and he waved and smiled at me from a jeep that was making its way to the front line. I asked Osama if his son had light hair and wore an Afghan cap, and he beamed: “Yes, that’s him! That’s my son.”


Osama lamented the inexperience of rebels like Muhannad and his friends. Qaddafi’s soldiers were largely veterans and mercenaries, backed up with significant artillery, most of it Soviet-era. The rebels, by contrast, had set up a base in Benghazi where Army veterans gave volunteers a brief training in how to load, clean, and fire a Kalashnikov; many fighters did not get even this rudimentary instruction. Osama said, “The boys at the front, some of them have never seen a gun before.” Qaddafi had appeared on TV and called the rebels “cockroaches,” swearing to hunt them down “house by house.” Osama concluded, “It’s no longer only about freedom now, this revolution; it’s about survival, and protecting one’s family.”

...


Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/09/110509fa_fact_anderson#ixzz1LDQ6anvi








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:00 PM
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67. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 8 PM MONDAY, MAY 2
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:09 PM
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68. Gaddafi has shown that he is happy to sacrifice even his family
Gaddafi forces have killed over 12,000 innocent people and have displaced well over 600,000. The number of those injured or detained by his forces is unknown. The NTC observed that such losses appear to be of no interest to Gaddafi, who is prepared to put even his family in harm’s way by keeping them in locations designated as legitimate military targets. Vice Chairman Mr. Abdul Hafeedh Ghoga commented:

“What type of person who calls himself a ruler, aware of the horrific suffering of so many innocent citizens, refuses to step down for the good of the people. What type of father is prepared to use even his sons and grandchildren as human shields? It is clear that Gaddafi either holds the whole world in contempt or is mentally unstable.”

The NTC refused to speculate on whether Saif al-Arab has really died. However, if this is a ruse by the Gaddafi regime, it would not be the first time. Past experience has taught Libyans that every claim Gaddafi makes should be the object of independently verified investigation.

Transitional National Council

http://ntclibya.org/english/2011/05/02/gaddafi-has-shown-that-he-is-happy-to-sacrifice-even-his-family/

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:16 PM
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69. Microsoft manager in Libya has been released


May 2, 2011 at 10:13 AM

A Microsoft employee who had been detained in Libya has been released.

Khalid Elhasumi, Microsoft's country manager for Libya, had been in detention in Tripoli since March 19.

Microsoft spokesman Lou Gellos confirmed Monday that Elhasumi was released at the end of last week


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2014937211_microsoftmanagerinlibyahasbeenreleased.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:42 PM
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70. NATO airstrikes Sunday, May 1
On May 1st, NATO aircraft conducted 165 sorties, 60 of which were strike sorties. Some of the targets included near Tripoli: 1 ammunition storage. Near Mizdah: 3 Ammunitian storages. Near Zintan: 2 ammunition storages, 1 Armoured Personnel Carrier, 3 Armoured Fighting Vehicles and 1 military truck. Near Sirte: 6 ammunition storages. Near Dahra: 1 communications facility. And finally near Brega 1 tank and 1 anti-aircraft gun.

http://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_2011_05/20110502_110502-oup-update.pdf






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 02:02 PM
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71. NATO minesweepers searched Monday for a drifting mine that blocked humanitarian aid to Misrata
Reuters report that NATO minesweepers searched the approaches of Misurata harbour on Monday for a drifting mine that has blocked aid supplies to the besieged Libyan city and halted evacuation of foreigners and wounded Libyans.

7:53pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-may-2






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:41 PM
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73. Some tweets

LibyaSteadfast‎ Brega: "500 #Gaddafi soldiers surrendered in Brega after running out of supplies and were transported to Benghazi" via ThawraLibya #Libya

tzv‎ RT @bugpopper: #Gaddafi has 144 tons of gold (6,5 bn$) inside #Libya enabling him to continue war for months ...

_lysandra_‎ RT @LibyanDictator: Ministry of Eduction in Tunis orders all schools to accept Libyan children who've fled the war. Thank you #Tunis. #Libya #Feb17

curlexT‎ RT @AlmanaraMedia: Libyan state TV says that citizens of Abu Salim area in #Tripoli announced they will name their May month newborns as Saif-Al-Arab || #Libya

curlexT‎ RT @ChangeInLibya: Switzerland has found and frozen 360 million Swiss francs ($415.8 million) of potentially illegal assets linked to Gaddafi #libya #feb17

Just hours after a supposedly sad day for Gaddafi and his family, and his son's "funeral".. hundreds are dancing on State TV.. #libya #feb17
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:40 PM
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80. The Brega story, if true, would be huge
There have been rumors for days that the Brega troops were running out of supplies, so this wouldn't be a huge surprise. Losing that many troops would be a huge blow to Gadhafi, and would open up the coastal road to Sirte. I hope we see confirmation soon.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:44 PM
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74. Fighting rages in Libya's Western Mountains
TRIPOLI — Forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi stepped up their onslaught on rebel areas of Libya's Western Mountains late on Monday, rebels said, and refugees said towns in the isolated region were on the brink of starvation.

At least 10 Grad rockets landed on the town of Zintan, rebel spokesman Abdulrahman told Reuters by telephone. "They were fired by Gaddafi forces positioned north of Zintan," he said.

Berber towns in the remote Western Mountains, close to the border with Tunisia, have been pounded by government forces after joining the rebellion against Gaddafi that erupted two months ago.

"If I had stayed there my two little daughters would have been among the dead," Fatma Douri, 35, who has fled the besieged town of Yafran, said in a refugee camp in the Tunisian border town of Dehiba.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41960775/ns/world_news-europe/
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:29 PM
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75. Libya: UN looking to return to Tripoli after unrest forces temporary relocation


2 May 2011 – The United Nations is exploring ways to re-enter Tripoli as soon as possible, a spokesperson for the world body said today, following the announcement that 12 international staff left owing to unrest in parts of the Libyan capital.

...


The UN said that humanitarian operations are still being carried out and there are still international staff members in the rebel-held city of Benghazi. It hopes to return to the capital as soon as the situation allows.

“Humanitarian operations are continuing, with the redeployed staff from Tripoli supporting operations in western Libya from Tunisia,” UN spokesperson Martin Nesirky told reporters in New York.

Meanwhile, the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) reports that, as of yesterday, more than 12,000 people had been evacuated from the besieged city of Misrata. It also remains concerned that deaths and injuries continue to be reported from the fighting there.


http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=38247&Cr=libya&Cr1=







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:51 PM
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76. Strong proof of Libya crimes against humanity-ICC
Edited on Mon May-02-11 06:52 PM by tabatha
By Louis Charbonneau

NEW YORK, May 2 (Reuters) - International Criminal Court investigators have proof that Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's forces committed crimes against humanity, and the court's chief prosecutor, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, said on Monday he would soon ask for up to five arrest warrants.

"We have strong evidence on the beginning of the conflict, the shooting of civilians," he told Reuters in an interview, noting that killing unarmed civilians would qualify as a crime against humanity.

"Also, we have strong evidence of the crime of persecution," he said. This includes "massive arrests and torture of people, and some forced disappearances ... (for) talking to journalists or going to demonstrations."

Without giving precise details of his proof, Moreno-Ocampo said "for these two crimes we have a lot of evidence." He plans to brief the Security Council on his probe on Wednesday.

http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/interview-strong-proof-of-libya-crimes-against-humanity-icc
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:55 PM
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77. Libya rebels ask Nato for help as Gaddafi forces bombard Misrata



• Humanitarian aid cannot reach city's harbour
• Evacuees and casualties stranded in the assaults


Xan Rice in Misrata
guardian.co.uk, Monday 2 May 2011 20.16 BST


Muammar Gaddafi's forces have bombarded Misrata with missiles and tank fire, preventing ships carrying humanitarian aid from entering the port for a fourth straight day.

The sustained attacks on the port are causing deep concern in the city, which has been surrounded by Gaddafi's troops on land for more than two months. Food, medical supplies and other aid can only be delivered through the harbour, while migrant workers and casualties can only be evacuated by boat.

...


A ferry chartered by the International Organisation for Migration has been forced to wait offshore since Saturday morning. It is due to collect at least 800 African workers who have been trying to escape the city for weeks, and who have been forced to endure the barrage of missiles in recent days. More than 30 hospital patients, four of them in intensive care, are also waiting to board the ship.

"We know the only way to keep Misrata alive is to keep the harbour open," said Hafed Makhlouf, the controller and ship pilot of the port. "Gaddafi realises this too, and knows that the only way to extinguish the revolution is by starving the people."

On Sunday, just hours after Makhlouf had pleaded for Nato to stop the attack on the port, it was pounded again by dozens of missiles that struck the land as well as the sea around the harbour mouth. A checkpoint on the road to the port was also destroyed, killing two guards.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/libya-rebels-gaddafi-bombard-misrata








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:00 PM
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78. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 2 AM TUESDAY, MAY 3
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:34 PM
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79. PHOTO: The Chronicle of a Family at the Moment of its Destruction


One of the bloody hand prints left by Soad Warayeth, mother of seven, as she staggered away from her bedroom in Misurata after its exterior wall was hit by a high-explosive artillery shell late Saturday night. Photo by C.J. Chivers, New York Times


NYT story here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/02/world/africa/02misurata.html?hpw


C.J. Chivers' website:
http://cjchivers.com/






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 07:59 PM
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81. Bin Laden Was Made A Wanted Man By Gaddafi

Source: Sky News




8:46pm UK, Monday May 02, 2011
Mark Stone, Sky News reporter, in Tripoli


Osama bin Laden was a wanted man well before the 9/11 attacks, before the attack on the USS Cole and before the US Embassy bombings in east Africa.

...


The Gaddafi government believed Bin Laden was involved and passed its evidence to Interpol who clearly agreed.

To this day, Interpol arrest warrants exist for the murder suspects. The "wanted" page for Bin Laden also identifies Tripoli as the original issuer of the warrant.

But there are other theories too. Herr Becker had been involved in the investigation into the 1998 Lockerbie bombing and the attack on a Berlin nightclub in 1986, in which two US troops were killed.

Both were said to be Libyan government operations which supports the theory that the Beckers were actually murdered by Libyan secret service agents.

...


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Bin-Laden-Gaddafi-Libyan-Leader-Issued-Arrest-Warrant-For-Bin-Laden-Well-Before-9-11/Article/201105115984158?lpos=World_News_Second_Home_Page_Feature_Teaser_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15984158_Bin_Laden%2C_Gaddafi%3A_Libyan_Leader_Issued_Arrest_Warrant_For_Bin_Laden_Well_Before_911








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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:01 PM
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82. Day 75 here:
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