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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:30 AM
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Let's be honest
Edited on Mon May-02-11 10:33 AM by demwing
The death of Bin Laden doesn't erase all the things that Obama has done, or has failed to do, as President.

He's still the same guy as he was last week. I'm still unhappy we don't have a public option, I'm still unhappy that the he extended the Bush tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, I'm still unhappy that we bailed out the banks, and not the homeowners, I'm still unhappy that unemployment is so fucking high, yada... yada... yada...

You get it me?

Good. Now fuck all that.

Can we have a week, AT LEAST, where Dems can put differences behind us and celebrate this outstanding victory? Obama has done that which Bush could not do. Obama has accomplished that which McCain said he could not accomplish. Obama has closed an open wound on the heart of America.

He has become a truly historic, transformational figure, as if he wasn't one already...

A week from now (maybe a month...:) ), I'll be happy to pick up the banner and ask why the President isn't the social progressive some of us hoped and believed he would become. Many will debate that I am wrong, and that Obama is soundly in the Progressive camp. I encourage those debates, but not today.

Today, we celebrate.

And to those who wonder why we celebrate death, I say you've completely missed the damned point. We don't celebrate a life lost, we celebrate lives saved, and death and destruction averted.

You may think you have the moral high-ground, but don't tell me. Don't tell DU. Sit down and tell the surviving family members of those that died on 9/11. They are real people, not abstract characters that appear on TV. Some of those family members are here on DU. Tell them why it's a sad day in America...

Or don't. Surely, in the great reservoir of love in your hearts, you can allow those families a moment to take stock of their own emotions, and let them come to their own peace. Maybe some will agree that death doesn't forgive death. Maybe not, but this is not the time to preach. This is not the time to nag. You will alienate those who might benefit from your message, simply because you tried to hard, and flaunted your supposed claim to a higher ethic.

Relax. Show some compassion for the greater masses. There will be time for your issues in the future, but not today...

Today, we celebrate.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:32 AM
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1. BUSH dropped the Ball - Obama score the Touch Down
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:32 AM
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:07 AM
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8. Damn. Maybe we should have just let him continue skulking
around in caves and plotting against us.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:31 AM
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9. that's a very good second grade attempt at conversation.
And in that, I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:34 AM
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3. re: "Obama has done that which Bush could not do." I beg to differ.
I don't believe Bush ever WANTED to do it.

Why damage the main reason for all the wars on terror?

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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:37 AM
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4. I'll accept that, and double down
Edited on Mon May-02-11 10:38 AM by demwing
That the reason Bush could not take down Bin Laden, is because would not. He didn't want to, and therefore, couldn't.

All the same in the end, 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other...
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:39 AM
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5. In all fairness
You can't lay the blame for no public option, etc., entirely on Obama's plate. He has to contend with Congress, and with a divided public, and with a host of other factors. It would be nice if he could just go in, like some fictional king, and change all the rules to suit himself. But he can't. Maybe if the process were understood a little better by the extreme left, some of the negative comments could be averted.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 10:52 AM
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6. but my point is that this in NOT the time for that debate
there will be a time, but not today.

Today we celebrate.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 11:02 AM
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7. He negotiated away the public option on his lonesome. The "extreme left" jab says you aren't up for
an honest discussion.

The Maoist, anarchists, and hard core communists aren't numerous enough to address nor is their any reason to think they understand civics and politics at any level lower than average and a good case to be made that they would have a better understanding in order to even access the information to support their beliefs.

"Extreme left" in this context is an official documentation of ignorance and a deep refusal to have an honest dialog but rather a barrage of talking points and beltway bullshit.
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PinkTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 06:26 PM
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10. That's not fair.
I consider myself extremely on the left. I just think we have to look at the realities. I've been studying the health care issue and there are so many nuances here.
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