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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:03 PM
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PHOTOS: Ground Zero, 5/1/11
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:06 PM
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1. Can our troops come home now?
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:10 PM
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2. Can my dead friends and neighbors come home now?
Justice delayed but not denied.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:23 PM
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8. I have been avoiding questions like that, because there are no "answers" e.g. What about Iraq?
I have "lost" several loved-ones, not to War but the enigma is similar, though compared to War probably somewhat less intense. Most answers are only words, whatever might or might not remain of those who have gone beyond beyond either is or isn't found in the individual seconds of what we refer to as "life".
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:23 PM
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7.  As soon as the kill a few more of the sick fucks
who are killing schoolgirls who just want an education and forcing five year old boys to be uneducated fundie warriors....
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:27 PM
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11. Way more often than not, killing causes killing, because 2 wrongs don't make a right. nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:27 PM
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12. There are other solutions that we seem not to prefer for some reason. nt
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:32 PM
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15. Re-education camps?
A mix of religous brainwashing with a militant upbringing can be pretty hard to undue...
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:43 PM
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16. No, referring to the whole thrust of "American Exceptionalism".
If all you buy/build is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:50 PM
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18. not following you...You have ideas if you don't like killing bad people?
Edited on Mon May-02-11 12:52 PM by snooper2
Another thought I had ...

Place a woman as the President of Afghanistan...

Everyone who has a problem with it or wants her killed, gets placed in a camp (education again?) for 6 months.

If after that they still have an issue we either just kill them then or if that's to gruesome maybe have a long term facility set-up.


Your ideas?

How would you get one of the Phelps kids to understand that "killing f@#g@@ts" is not okay and that we are all equal members of this society? Brainwashing is hard to undue...
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:08 PM
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22. Well, for starters, in re brainwashing, it would have helped if "we" hadn't killed
the electric car and mass transit decades ago. Or if we had made serious investment in alternative energies and in our own cities, rather than giving tax breaks/SUBSIDIES to oil and suburban sprawl.

It's all about money and how our dependence upon foreign energy and oil affects our economic vulnerabilities to transnational financial entities, a.k.a. FOREIGN powers.

Wondering how that pipe-line that's supposed to go through that part of the world is doing lately.

BTW, why don't we put half so much effort into the girls who are abused and the boys who are brainwashed in our own neighborhoods? Maybe because if we did, they'd turn out to be a political problem to those who actually make the decisions about whom we kill and who we don't.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:10 PM
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23. so we should just leave Afghanistan back to it's own fate?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:26 PM
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25. If the principle you are supporting is the right thing, apply it to America. What if some country
Edited on Mon May-02-11 01:37 PM by patrice
came here and did things because they think we are wrong about who we are and how we live? Your thinking assumes that such decisions/actions are acceptable. "If we know what's right and you don't, we have the obligation to invade you and change who you are and what you do." That's the principle you support and if it is right then it applies to us too, if someone were to decide to do to us what we do to others all over the world.

BTW, has it ever occurred to you that perhaps at least some of the aberrations you find so abhorrent in Afghani culture could be the result of the dysfunctions that we introduce into their society by doing what we are doing there?

What would you do if someone came to your house and told you how to live? Wouldn't that make you double-down on everything you have decided about yourself and your family? Isn't it possible, because of being fucked with by so many countries, over and over, that the Afghanis have doubled-down on doubling-down for generations? HOW is force going to change ANY of that? Wouldn't it just make it worse? What would you do if I tried to force you and yours to adhere to MY principles???

I know if anyone invaded my country I would go fucking nuts and I would raise my babies from day one to hate the invaders and we would devote our whole lives to the craziness that would be necessary to fight the foreigners. (Actually, this is happening through the sorts of things that went on in the Derivative Crash of 2008 and the ways that our economy is now nearly fatally exposed to foreign financial powers, but no one seems to care about any of that. They make all kinds of fundamental decisions about who we are, what jobs we can have, what services we can expect for our tax dollars, what our schools will be like and most people don't care as long as they can buy their next car and make mortgage payments or rent and participate in sports cults).
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:42 PM
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28. BTW, have you seen the "Y Article" yet? On this very subject & Written by military experts.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:51 PM
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19. um ok...I guess you advocate endless war then. Not in my name sorry. bring them home now.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:28 PM
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27. Thank You! Not in my name either!!!
:hi:
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:10 PM
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3. Wonderful pics.
Thank you.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:13 PM
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4. Coney Island FDNY "Can You Dig It?"
LOVE IT!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:15 PM
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5. Kudos to the photographers, these are powerful, thanks! nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:18 PM
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6. I hadn't shed a tear over this yet until I saw the simple cardboard and marker:
"In honor of them." Indeed.

Thank you to the Navy Seals, the intelligence officers, the triple and double agents, and to our President.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:23 PM
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9. thanks...n/t
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:25 PM
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10. Thanks for posting n/t
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:30 PM
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13. wow!
kinda gets me :cry:
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:30 PM
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14. These are great photos.
Thank-you!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 12:46 PM
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17. Is the Army guy part of a Presidential Detail?
He's got the blue braid and piping.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:05 PM
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21. Looks like that's Dan Choi
http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2011/05/02/students-new-yorkers-rally-ground-zero-after-bin-ladens-death

Lieutenant Dan Choi, a gay Army serviceman who became the face of the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, climbed up onto the lamppost with several of his friends to lead the crowd in the Pledge of Allegiance.


http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,760082,00.html

Ein Streifenwagen fährt vorbei. Aus dem geöffneten Fenster ragt eine geballte Faust. Einer der Feiernden am Ground Zero ist Lieutenant Dan Choi, in voller Gardeuniform. Choi diente als Infanterist im Irak, er wurde bekannt, weil er sich als schwul bekannte und daraufhin gefeuert wurde. Seitdem hat er gegen das Schwulenverbot im Militär gekämpft - erfolgreich, wie sich am Ende erwiesen hat.

"Dies ist eine Genugtuung für viele Menschen, vor allem die Familien, die am 11. September 2001 jemanden verloren haben", sagt Choi mit feuchten Augen über die Ereignisse dieses historischen Tages. Trotzdem warnt er vor Euphorie: "Wir müssen uns unseren eigenen Ängsten und Unzulänglichkeiten stellen und Lehren ziehen."
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:28 PM
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26. Bitte schön, Suffragette!
Vielen dank, meine Freundin!
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:58 PM
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29. Glad to help
My German vocabulary has shrunk down so over the years, but I put the text in Google translate and was struck by how much more thoughtful the quote from Der Spiegel is compared to the quotes the U.S. papers chose to use.

:hi:
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VWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:02 PM
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20. Third photo. Nice legs.




What???
:hide:
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 01:11 PM
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24. K&R
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