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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:04 PM
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Leading Democrats Step Out on Limb, Call for Withdrawal in Afghanistan - FDL
Leading Democrats Step Out on Limb, Call for Withdrawal in Afghanistan
By: David Dayen - FDL
Monday May 2, 2011 1:00 pm

<snip>

There has been more momentum toward the bin Laden death leading to an exit from our occupation of Afghanistan than I expected. I expected more hesitancy from typically cautious Democrats around this point. But here’s Barney Frank making an argument:

Explaining his decision to vote for the Afghanistan war in 2001, Frank said, “We went there to get Osama bin Laden. And we have now gotten Osama bin Laden. … So yes, I think this does strengthen the case .” <...>

“Look, part of the argument against this reduction is that it was reputational, for staying in Afghanistan. ‘We can’t look like America was driven out.’ ‘We can’t go away with our tail between our legs.’ All of those metaphors. Well, we just killed Osama bin Laden, and I think that takes a lot of the pressure away — a lot of the punch away from the argument that ‘oh, it will look like we walked away.’”


And more surprising to me, Senate Armed Services Committee Chair Carl Levin made the argument as well:

In Levin’s own words, “Afghans now are in an even better position to take responsibility, because whatever direction is coming from Pakistan, from that safe haven, no longer has the guidance, whatever strength bin Laden’s presence or direction could give to it.

“That’s now weakened. So the potential of the Afghan army and police to take responsibility is greater now and the fear that, gee whiz can they do it on their own, is something which now is of lesser concern, because the direction, the strength, the leadership of bin Laden and al Qaeda from that safe haven in Pakistan is severely weakened, and that should strengthen the hand of the Afghan security forces….

“I don’t think there was day-to-day control at all. What there was was this idea that somehow or other that the messages that come from across the border to die for the cause have that mystique behind those messages, when they’re given to those young people who are committing suicide. That’s gone. Now, there’ll be a substitute mystique which will be attempted and I don’t want to be naive at all about the fact that there may be — probably will be — an increase in suicide bombers as a kind of retaliation…but in terms of there being any more there in some sense guiding — a guiding hand — is now gone. It won’t be long before that settles in.”


This is pretty brazen on the part of typically more circumspect lawmakers. But they’re both talking about the same thing: all of the weird protocols and mythologies that accompanied bin Laden are really gone now. You strip that away and you’re left with nothing but a nation-building experiment in a nation that doesn’t really welcome our help to the same degree anymore.

<snip>

More: http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/05/02/leading-democrats-step-out-on-limb-call-for-withdrawal-in-afghanistan/

GOOD!!!

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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:08 PM
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1. Fire Dog Lake: automatic unrecommend n/t
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:10 PM
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3. LoZoccolo auto unrec = Luminous Animal auto rec
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 03:21 AM
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28. +1
glad you see it too
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 04:34 AM
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29. LOL!
I have the same reaction.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:12 PM
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5. Yes, let us not even consider the subject matter at hand.
Automatic counter-rec.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:21 PM
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10. Make that three.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:39 PM
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19. in for the 4th n/t
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:31 PM
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22. I'm pretty sure that I can find which congresspeople support a withdrawal from Afganistan
from some other source.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:15 PM
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6. You sure bury your head from a lot of information.
And unquestioningly so.

Critical and independent thought is a good thing. Give it a try sometime. YOu may like it more than you think.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:16 PM
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7. Give it a rest
I know FDL is notorious for hit jobs on Obama, but at least you should read what it says before unreccing.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:19 PM
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9. He doesn't want out, the corporations have too much to gain with pipelines and mineral extraction.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:33 PM
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23. If they are judged piece-by-piece, they have no incentive to not lie.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:31 PM
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17. "I'm ignorant and damn proud of it!"
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:33 PM
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18. Countered. nt
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:34 PM
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24. Lmao
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:35 PM
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26. Score one for Oasis!!!!!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 12:01 AM
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27. That's intelligent
:eyes:
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:09 PM
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2. Let's get the hell out of there .yesterday. nt. k and r
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:10 PM
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4. +1
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:16 PM
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8. I think there's good argument to say "We won. Wars over. Bye!"
:hi:
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:22 PM
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11. This is good. Events like this offer a chance to change directions - but it's a time limited offer.
Declare victory and move to get out quick.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:23 PM
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12. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!
:kick:

:hi:
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:30 PM
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15. Yes! Agreed. -nt
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:30 PM
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16. Hell yes.
Git out whilst the gittin's good.
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:24 PM
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13. recommend
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:28 PM
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14. Didn't Obama just say we were starting to withdraw troops from there?
I believe he said that by July we would have a large number of troops out of Afghanistan...This just gives him more ammunition for doing so..
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 04:55 PM
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20. going out on a limb?
:rofl:
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 05:27 PM
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21. Huh? FDL is the enemy?
Did I miss the memo?
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-02-11 09:35 PM
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25. Yes, let's get out of there, Iraq and Libya. Nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 09:53 AM
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30. How many billions per month would that save?
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