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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:16 AM
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There's no point to releasing death photos of OBL.
They won't prove anything -- deathers will say they were photoshopped -- and could well inflame public opinion.

I hope Obama doesn't release them.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:18 AM
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1. I think that it's inevitable that some photos will be released.
Edited on Tue May-03-11 10:25 AM by MineralMan
I have no interest in viewing them, although I'm sure I will, whether I want to or not. Transparency is just that, and it's really a requirement of a free society. So, they'll be released. As you say, the disputes will continue. They would continue whether or not the photos were released.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:23 AM
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5. I agree. The release will satisfy the reasonable people that
have a reasonable doubt.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:19 AM
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2. i agree. nt
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:19 AM
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3. And, uh, have you imagined there there might be legitimate reasons why people would want to see...
...proof of OBL's death? Like closure?

From Osama Bin Laden's Death Picture Readied for Release
President Obama and national security officials are considering releasing a photo of Osama bin Laden's corpse today, a source told ABC News.

Obama will head to Ground Zero Thursday to meet with 9/11 families. Some of those families think seeing photos of bin Laden might help their healing. Other parts of the world have also asked to see the photos for proof that the master terrorist is dead.


:eyes:

PB
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:25 AM
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7. I think the risk of inflaming public opinion around the world
outweighs whatever the benefit is for some people of seeing the pictures.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:26 AM
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9. Inflame the opinion of WHO?
:shrug:

PB
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:27 AM
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15. People around the world who resent American military power. n/t
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:30 AM
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23. There, you had to admit it: It will inflame the opinon of people who already hate the U.S.
So you're saying we should try to pander to people who will hate us nomatter what we do? I don't find that argument compelling.

Most of the rest of the world hated Osama bin Laden just as much as we do. This "don't release the evidence" is an absolutely pointless, or, I should correct myself- it's an absolutely specious argument.

PB
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:31 AM
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26. I said "resent." I'd rather not further inflame them. And since the pictures
Edited on Tue May-03-11 10:32 AM by pnwmom
will never be seen as "proof" of anything, releasing them has little point.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:32 AM
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30. Have you ever thought about the fact that you and I just breathing inflames some people?
So what's the point?

PB
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:34 AM
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32. Less is better, IMO. n/t
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:27 AM
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16. Those whose opinions will be inflamed already are inflamed.
The photos won't add much to that at all. As a symbol, Osama bin Laden creates inflamed opinions all the time. It's what he was about. That he was killed by the US is the issue, not the photos. Those with inflamed opinions will still have those opinions. Others won't necessarily be changed by the photos, I think.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:50 AM
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34. Bingo. They're already inflamed.
They stay inflamed just because we're still on the planet.

Bake
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bighart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:29 AM
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20. did you hold the same opinion of the abu gharib phtotos?
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:29 AM
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22. And I think he
should be thinking more about Americans right now than worrying for the umpteenth time whether something we do is going to inflame others. Those that want something to get pissed off about will find a reason and it's moronic to cater to their sensitivities.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:32 AM
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29. So...
... anyone who wasn't "inflamed" by his death would be pushed over the edge by the photo?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:22 AM
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4. How about some stills from the video? I think they will release
some form of documentation. Taking the unsubstantiated word of the US government isn't going to salve the questions of many.

Sure, there will always be a handful of conspiracy nuts, but there are also those with legitimate questions and those that have a completely valid reason to not trust official stories who would accept with verification.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:24 AM
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6. I think it is important that they be released.
The target audience is not the deathers. The target audience is skeptical-but-persuadable "show me the evidence" people.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:26 AM
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8. But how will those people be able to recognize an older OBL
Edited on Tue May-03-11 10:27 AM by pnwmom
covered in blood, with the top of his head blown off?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:26 AM
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10. Edit yer subject.
PB
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:28 AM
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17. thanks!
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:27 AM
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12. I guess it depends on the condition of the body. (nt)
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:27 AM
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14. "Obama" - ooops. nt
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:28 AM
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18. fixed -- thanks
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:05 AM
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39. I don't remember what program I heard it on but, apparently, the pictures
are very recognizable as bin Laden and we will/would be reminded again of just how tall he was.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:27 AM
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11. "Deathers"-LOL
So you have a cute new term to dismiss people.

People cannot discuss things anymore and instead choose derisive terms as shorthand.

Sad.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:27 AM
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13. I believe that pictures have already been released...in Europe.


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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:29 AM
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21. I heard that those were fakes. Have new ones come out?
Why would they release them in Europe first?
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:32 AM
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28. I don't know if there are new ones...
And perhaps they released pictures in Europe because they have a more realistic view of OBL and death.

It's a news story.

:shrug:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:33 AM
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31. I really don't think the U.S. has released any pictures yet. n/t
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:30 AM
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25. Lots Of Fraudulent Pics Out There...
There's a cottage industry on Facebook of fooling people into clicking on these supposed pictures and getting malware and spyware dumped in their puters.

I expect the government will release some kind of pictures to prove bin Laden is dead...not just to the afterbirfers and non-believers here but also as proof to the "Arab Street" and other players in that region who also considered bin Laden and Al Queda as a threat.

My bets are any pics that are currently out there are bogus...
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:28 AM
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19. I can see both sides, really...
Releasing them won't do a damned thing to convince the people who just do not want to believe he's dead. Or that he died recently. Never mind photoshopping...how easy would it have been all these years to make up a wax model of OBL for just such a day?

The other side wants to see proof as a means to closure.

I really don't know what is the best thing to do here...

Either way, not everyone is going to be happy
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:30 AM
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24. No, but they took the photos and the videos
So I might as well see everything I bought with my tax dollars.
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jdlh8894 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:57 AM
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35. Who took photos and video?
I'm SURE the SEALS took a photojournalist w/them on an "in and out" mission.
This ain't the movies people!!!!
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:04 AM
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36. They said on the teevee the SEALS had helmet mounted cameras.
And I have zero doubt they snapped pictures while they were removing hard-drives and computers. They're a pretty multi-talented bunch, those SEALS.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:05 AM
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38. Allen Funt, probably... n/t
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 04:22 PM
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40. The folks at the White House were watching something in that meeting
And I don't think it was "Transformers."
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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:31 AM
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27. I want to see close up macro shots
like on TV
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 10:37 AM
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33. News reports claim there's growing skepticism in the Arab world
regarding whether he was actually killed, so they probably need to come out sooner rather than later.

We don't want to risk a "Jihadi Jim Morrison" type situation!
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-11 11:04 AM
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37. OTOH....
If they don't believe he's really dead, then there would be no reason for them to avenge his death.

Lots of positives and negatives all around no matter how we look at it, I guess...
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 04:27 PM
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41. I agree
Lots of people saw him die, one's his daughter right?

It's a shame everyone wants to see the gore so bad, just silly.. it's the 21st century not the 16th.
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