CIA chief: Waterboarding aided bin Laden raid (WHAT THE HELL?)

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42880435/ns/today-today_news/?fb_ref=story_header&fb_source=profile_multiline

WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.

"Enhanced interrogation techniques" were used to extract information that led to the mission's success, Panetta said during an interview with anchor Brian Williams. Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.
Panetta, who in a 2009 CIA confirmation hearing declared "waterboarding is torture and it's wrong," said Tuesday that debate about its use will continue.
"Whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always gonna be an open question," Panetta said


I thought that this was not the case?

I wish these guys were swinging from lamp posts.

OBL supposedly didn't even tell his commanders where he was and communicated through a trusted messenger.

Supposedly it was this messenger's identity that was the key information.

Having said that... This is not information that should have been shared by the RW nor admitted by the WH.

See here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1029285

headlines become the news. Panetta makes no such claim in the video. He simply states that waterboarding had been used in the past. From the article:

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If it was Bush, he sure sat on the information for a long time and didn't do a damn thing to get Osama. Obama says we are no longer using torture, so who's lying? Panetta ? Obama? Some one is a fucking liar and needs to resign.

You read a blurb on a thread about what somebody said somebody said, and you're just off to the races aren't ya?

Did you notice the names there sunshine? CIA Chief Leon Panetta, anchor Brian Williams. That's not somebody said somebody said.

WASHINGTON — Intelligence garnered from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him, CIA Chief Leon Panetta told NBC News on Tuesday.

"Enhanced interrogation techniques" were used to extract information that led to the mission's success, Panetta said during an interview with . Those techniques included waterboarding, he acknowledged.


It sounds like someone lied.

KSM spilled some names... those names and their context were recorded. Years later they were looking for info about a name they aquired and VOILA! the name from the earlier interrogation correlated to their latest lead.

It's likely he never knew they mans actual name because he didn't need to know it.

It took years to connect the code name to the actual name.

and his denial caused their Spidey-senses to tingle:)

Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?
LEON PANETTA: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here… It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got… I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees.

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http://www.nbcuniversal.presscentre.com/content/detail.aspx?ReleaseID=4722&NewsAreaId=2


BRIAN WILLIAMS: Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?

LEON PANETTA: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here… It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got… I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.
From Sigent intelligence, from imagery, from other sources that we had-- assets on the ground. And it was a combination of all of that that ultimately we were able to put together that led us to that compound. So-- it's-- it's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got.

BRIAN WILLIAMS:
Turned around the other way, are you denying that water boarding was, in part, among the tactics used to extract the intelligence that led to this successful mission?

LEON PANETTA:
No, I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether-- whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.

The New York Times just reported that the useful information came from a suspect who was not waterboarded.

and he tried not to give a specific answer.

waterboarding resulted in lies. it failed. regular interrogation months and years later resulted in some info

while he was in jail.. They played chess & gardened together, and he said that Saddam told him all kinds of stuff (which he immediately told his superiors).. The Stockholm Syndrome is real.. prisoners will bond with their captors..sooner if treated humanely

torture only gets people to say whatever they think will make the torture stop...real or fake...

yet he continued

But that was all the Greenwald Brigade and others needed to claim that the WH was lying and "changing its story" ala Jessica Lynch.

The administration really needs to get its narrative straight before it starts giving interviews. After Brennan, they should have realized that ambiguous answers based on incomplete information is not a good idea. And Panetta and Brennan aren't the only ones to blame: McDonough, the Deputy NSA, was on TV last night giving similarly "fuzzy" answers about waterboarding.

will come to you. but then people would yell TRANSPARENCY. where is the transparency.

the other alternative would be for people to fuckin grow up. be adult. comprehend the evolving information of any given HUGE story.

info came from detainees. when tortured they got lies. that simple. months and years later, when no torture they got some info on currier

you. and you are willing to hunt, search or just damn make up something to create an evil or conspiracy

I think he may be throwing them a bone :grr:,,still sucks.

williams kept putting it next to waterboarding. panetta was trying to be honest info came from detainees williams was connecting to waterboarding.

and quit being led..

Read the NYT article:

"a closer look at prisoner interrogations suggests that the harsh techniques played a small role at most"

“The bottom line is this: If we had some kind of smoking-gun intelligence from waterboarding in 2003, we would have taken out Osama bin Laden in 2003,” said Tommy Vietor, spokesman for the National Security Council. "

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/04/us/politics/04torture.html