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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:47 AM
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This is why I think that Dennis Kucinich should move to a former blue dog destrict.
As we know, we lost so many blue dog Democratic seats in the 2010 election because the candidates were not progressive enough. If Dennis Kucinich moved to one of these districts, he would win and we would not be losing a progressive Democratic seat. He has not ruled out moving to Washington and running there, but that would probably be progressive territory already; the districts where blue dogs lost to Republicans are the districts where a progressive would really win.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:50 AM
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1. No, UFO should move him to another planet. He can run there.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:51 AM
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3. No, you cannot run to another planet.
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:59 AM
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10. That's true.
But, who knows, K. may be able too. He does, after all, live in a different reality. :-)
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:04 AM
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15. I must be living in a different reality as well
because I agree with almost all of his political positions.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:09 AM
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20. His positions are fine (most of them); his effectiveness and intellect are not.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 12:06 PM
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38. IOW, he stupidly, purely by accident, happened into all the strong
progressive positions he holds.

Wow.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 12:03 PM
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36. Yes he does, but then so do many DUers.
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:00 AM
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11. Wow, it's like this mission here to bash DK every time he's mentioned.
I've never seen this anywhere else.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:02 AM
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13. Like when he sued the olive pit?
Edited on Wed May-04-11 11:03 AM by Bumblebee
For millions of dollars?
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:05 AM
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17. You mean when he settled for thousands over a cracked tooth?
See what I mean?
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:08 AM
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19. What he settled for is not what he sued for...
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CrossChris Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:11 AM
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23. You're only proving my point. nt
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:51 AM
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2. Also, it would bring out the legion of hidden progressive voters to the polls.
Edited on Wed May-04-11 10:54 AM by LoZoccolo
The reason that Republicans win is that there is a legion of hidden progressive voters in these districts. They only seem to be centrist or conservative, but that is because the progressive voters stay home.

If Dennis Kucinich ran, the legion of hidden progressive voters would turn out on election day. These are hard-to-get voters who don't even show up to the primary.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:57 AM
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7. Kucinich progressive? As in progressively loony?
I live in WA state. If he moves here and runs, there is no chance in hell I will vote for him. He is by now no less of a joke than Donald Trump.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:10 AM
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21. Are you sure you are in the right forum? This is democraticunderground.com.
Oh. Duh, ok. Silly me.
:spray:
I get it now.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:12 AM
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24. As sure as you are!
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:20 AM
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28. I don't get it. Can you explain?
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:37 AM
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31. Sure, no problem. Here ya go:
Democratic Underground, also known as DU, is an online community for U.S. Democrats and progressives. Its membership is restricted by policy to those who are generally supportive of progressive ideals and support Democratic candidates for political office.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Underground
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:19 AM
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27. I live in Washington State and I WOULD vote for him
He's a consistently good member of Congress and votes Progressively.

Your relentless character bashing of him on the other hand is anything buy Progressive. It's obnoxious.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:52 AM
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4. lol. nt
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:56 AM
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5. Wrong. In this state 2 out of 3 'blue dog' seats went to the GOP. If the blue dog can't win, then
Dennis would be lucky to get a dozen votes.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:57 AM
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6. That's the joke. nt
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:03 AM
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14. Read the posts from after the election where people mention "blue dog" Democrats losing.
A lot of people expressing that the voters wanted a real progressive. We can't tell whether or not the progressives here stayed home because of the blue dogs, but would have turned out for a progressive candidate, but they may have even been saying "I would have voted for a progressive".
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:06 AM
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18. It's a mirror image of what freepers said about McCain's loss.
A purer conservative would have won. Same song, different singers.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:16 AM
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26. Posts? Like on DU? Why don't you read some of the 2010 election results for Arkansas Districts
1 and 2. Both were held by 'blue dog' Democrats and are now in the hands of Tim Griffin and Eric Crawford. And Senator Blanche Lincoln, most-hated here on DU, was replaced by John Boozman, whose House seat went to a TP darling, Steve Womack.

What DU says about running progressives doesn't always apply to all those real voters out there.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 12:14 PM
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39. Uh, where are the progressives in those races?
You can't vote for a progressive option where NO progressives are running. You know, there's plenty of progressives who see voting for the lesser evil as VOTING FOR EVIL. And they are the ones who would have stayed home.

Know what you get when you vote for the 'lesser evil'? You get DEMOCRATS voting to kill unions, privatize the schools, feed the war machine...

Why even pretend to be a different party?
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:14 PM
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43. Yep, there are just millions of progressives in the Delta. Just look at this map!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Arkansas,_2008
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:19 PM
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44. Context:
"Arkansas swung and trended more Republican than any other state in the nation during the election due in large part to disappointment and remorse over the 2008 Democratic Presidential Primary in which former First Lady of Arkansas Hillary Rodham Clinton was narrowly defeated by Barack Obama."
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:26 PM
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45. Context: how does that account for the 2010 House of Representatives election?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections_in_Arkansas,_2010

United States House of Representatives elections in Arkansas, 2010<1>
Party Votes Percentage Seats +/–
Republican 431,504 56.3% 3 +2
Democratic 315,027 41.1% 1 -2
Others 20,469 2.6% 0 +/-0
Totals 767,000 100% 4
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:45 PM
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47. And where are the progressives in THAT line up?
You keep saying that progressives can't win, and prove it by showing blue dogs getting their asses kicked.

Disconnect much?

If you want to prove that progressives can't win, TRY RUNNING A GODDAM PROGRESSIVE. Then, look at the results. Unless you do that, it's all smoke and mirrors.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 03:15 PM
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49. In looking at the political makeup of the electorate, can you show me the progressives? The Green
Party brings in a whopping 3% of the votes cast. State Senator Joyce Elliot is about as progressive as you can get in the deep South, and she lost by 20% (57.9% vs. 38.2%).

Disconnect much?
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:36 AM
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30. By this state, you mean your state of Arkansas?
Correct?
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:12 PM
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42. Yes, Arkansas the state that went for McCain 58.8% to Obama's 38.8%.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:57 AM
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8. Also, I don't want him to squeeze out Betty Sutton in OH. nt
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brewens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 10:58 AM
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9. Not eastern Washington. Red as hell on that side of the Cascade
mountains. He could bump off Doc Hastings or Cathy McMorris. I'd think the McMorris seat might be the best shot. That district has Spokane in it. Also Pullman where Washington State University is. Tom Foley's old seat.

I'm sure there would be a major uproar over someone like Kucinich relocating to try and take that seat. As much as I like the guy, probably not a good move.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:01 AM
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12. Good post...
:thumbsup:

Maybe he could run in South Dakota, for the seat that Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin lost.

Sid
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:05 AM
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16. I can't take credit for it, though.
It's a strategy proposed by a lot of people on the Internet. Who are the inside-the-beltway insiders to argue with the grassroots? They are not on the ground. They do not have four or five friends who are progressive non-voters. They do not run into people in line at the grocery store who complain about the lack of choices when they see a headline in the paper, and make a public pronouncement to people in the grocery line.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:10 AM
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22. Why would you leave you state for the sake of running or representing..??.
Edited on Wed May-04-11 11:10 AM by Historic NY
Kinda leaves the voter who elected him out in the cold doesn't it. What does it then say about him...win at all costs.....sounds familar.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:15 AM
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25. Because, if redistricted, he is no good for anything else...
And he needs an income. If some self-proclaimed progressives on this list think he is doing it for a wonderful, altruistic principle, I have a rare, genuine photo of dead OBL to sell you...
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:30 AM
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29. So what are your actual policy differences with Kucinich?
I'm a Democrat. I will criticize a Democrat's policy gladly. So what the fuck are your policy issues with the Congressman? You post about him often, but there is never actual political content. I have no idea what your reason are for being a tad compulsive about a Democratic House member in a district and State in which you do not live.
Perhaps you could share some policy differences you have with this particular elected Democratic official?
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:49 AM
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32. This thread is not about my policy differences with Kucinich.
It's actually about keeping Kucinich in the House of Representatives.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:56 AM
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34. Witness will please answer the question.
Or may be held in contempt.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 12:04 PM
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37. I'm pretty sure that anyone who would hold me in contempt for that is already doing so.
Also, we should stay on topic:

Stay on topic. Do not jump into an unrelated discussion and introduce a barely-relevant tangent.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 12:24 PM
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40. No problem. Perfect answer. Thanks! nt
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:41 PM
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46. I have given no indication in this thread that I oppose Dennis Kucinich's policies.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:50 AM
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33. Having lived in a few of those blue dog districts: NE and NW IA, I
don't think he could win. I have worked in campaigns in both states. The blue dogs dems in these states have a hard enough time winning there.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 11:59 AM
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35. He should stay urban.
We had a change election in 2008 that wasn't taken advantage of.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 02:47 PM
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48. Agreed. A Blue-Dog district like the White House.
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