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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 12:22 PM
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Osama bin Laden is dead. One Buddhist’s response.
by Susan

“In the Shambhala warrior tradition, we say you should only have to kill an enemy once every thousand years.” –Chogyam Trungpa

So, Osama bin Laden is dead. We killed him. There really was no choice. We were clearly in an “us or them” situation and if we didn’t kill him, he was going to continue to do everything in his power to kill us.

As Buddhists, we are supposed to abhor all killing, but what do you do when someone is trying to kill you? Obviously great theologians have pondered this question for millennia and I’m not going to try to pile on with my point of view, which would be totally useless.

Instead, I’ll pose this question: How do you kill your enemy in a way that puts a stop to violence rather than escalates it?

http://www.susanpiver.com/wordpress/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-is-dead-one-buddhists-response/

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 12:54 PM
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1. k/r
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 12:58 PM
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2. "if we didn’t kill him, he was going to ... kill us"
I don't think he had anywhere near that kind of power.

Acting alone, he could have done virtually nothing.

Acting after his death, others can certainly perpetrate more needless violence.

I don't care that he's dead. I don't feel sorry for him.

But I don't think we won much of anything.

I don't think much has changed.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 01:02 PM
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3. By virtue of the fact that he arranged for the wholesale murder of thousands of Americans...
He is that dangerous. Anyone who has killed can more easily kill again. He had a lot of help hiding over the past decade, he has followers, none of that has changed.

We won a massive amount. Think in terms of the intelligence gathered in that compound... the computers alone are surely loaded, and the communication history is pointing fingers to a whole lot of supporters and helpers.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 01:49 PM
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8. There you have it - when you come down to it, he was far less
important than the information on contacts, on-going operations, funding sources that we (hopefully) recovered from his place.

He was not a military leader who could order millions, or even thousands, into battle. He was a facilitator. His value was in he ability to organize.

And now we have his rolodex.
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zappaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 01:04 PM
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4. The world is a slightly better place
and that is enough to celebrate.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 01:07 PM
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5. I had no idea Osama was flying those planes that day.
"if we didn’t kill him, he was going to continue to do everything in his power to kill us."

He really is dangerous if he could hi-jack multiple planes all at the same time.

The lesson is that there will always be Osamas, there do not always need to be followers.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 03:19 PM
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10. What a disappointingly narrow viewpoint.
Hitler also did not drop the Zykon into the gas chambers.

Not every mass murderer kills his victims personally.

I hope you're able to expand your thinking at some point.
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chillspike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 01:18 PM
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6. All lose in war
Before he started murdering people, there was a time when Bin Laden was an innocent person, a good person who could have stayed that way if he hadn't made the wrong choices. But the world lost that person when he chose to murder people instead of dialogue.

To quote the movie Avatar: "You don't 'thank' for this. This is only sad."
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 01:21 PM
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7. self-delete
Edited on Wed May-04-11 01:23 PM by shanti
duplicate post
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 03:16 PM
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9. As much as I admire Buddhist philosophy, I do not believe
every part of it, anymore than I believe the Christian mythology, despite the wisdom of some of Jesus's supposed words.

What a Buddhist monk says is not necessarily the universal truth. No man speaks the truth in all things.

But thanks for your post.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-11 03:19 PM
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11. that is a good piece
and Trungpa was an amazing, infuriating person and teacher.
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