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Playinghardball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:40 AM
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Obama, Pentagon call an end to disclosures about bin Laden killing
Source: AFP via Raw Story
By Agence France-Presse

WASHINGTON (AFP) – The White House on Wednesday declined to shed more light on the special forces operation that killed Osama bin Laden, a day after it was forced to correct explosive details of the undercover raid.

Adjustments to the story, which began to be told late on Sunday, have seen the narrative embroidered with corrections and new details and left a sheaf of unanswered questions.

On Wednesday, however, the White House and the Pentagon called a halt to the disclosures, saying operational techniques that might be used in future raids needed to be protected.

"We have gotten to the point where we cannot cross lines," said White House spokesman Jay Carney. "We've gone to the limit of our ability to do that and still maintain some of the things we need to maintain and be kept secret."

More at: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/05/obama-pentagon-call-an-end-to-disclosures-about-bin-laden-killing/
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:42 AM
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1. It's our military, as citizens and as taxpayers.
The White House wants us in the dark about basic facts.

If UBL "resisted" before his death, then how?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:43 AM
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2. Your in the dark about a lot of things with regards to the military
Its that whole confidential and top secret thingy
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:09 AM
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7. CIA Director Leon Panetta had said a photo of UBL's corpse would be released.
It isn't inherently top-secret.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:16 AM
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10. he was wrong about that.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:09 AM
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15. Yes, he was wrong, but my point is that...
...whether pictures of UBL's corpse should be top-secret is a matter of disagreement not only outside of government, but also at the top of the administration.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:57 AM
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4. Classified information ---Methods used and often information
on the location and target. Reveal this publicly and
the eneny has the upper hand.

Knowing something is not going to change anything.

We know a single payer system of Healthcare would be
most effective, least expensive . We know this but
we are not to have it at this time.

JSoc (Joint operations Military and CIA) are secret
operations. Secret means the public will never have
all the details about them and their operations. Make
it public and destroy the operation.

It is not always the best approach to capture. As cold
as it may sound--Kill is the best solution in the big
picture.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:13 AM
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9. Telling us whether UBL was shot on sight or shot 5 minutes after capture...
...won't prevent future raids from succeeding.

As citizens and taxpayers, we should know.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:42 AM
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13. ^ This
I have yet to hear of anyone clamoring for the White House (or the Pentagon) to release any sort of sources and methods information.

Although, if you stop to think about it for just a moment, we've got at least a dozen pictures of the tail section of what what can be arguably described as a highly-classified, top-secret helicopter design. We also have people like George Stephanopoulos and other, larger news personalities reporting on the details of how the information was relayed back to Washington, DC from Pakistan- helmet cams, satellite relays and all of it being fed by Administration or Pentagon officials to help put some high-tech glitter on the story.

No, all that stuff is already being passed around. It's questions about what happened between the time that one of bin Laden's wives rushed the SEALS and was shot and the time bin Laden was shot which this news lockdown (if that's the right word for it) is putting the kibosh on.

In the official account that the DoD had prepared, while it is a fairly short document, there are a number of things which are gone into detail about. You can read it HERE. The encounter with bin Laden's wife who was standing in the room with him is described in twice as many words as bin Laden, for instance.

Wife:
In the room with bin Laden, a woman – bin Laden’s wife – rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed.

bin Laden:
Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed.

And even this is only causing interest because the U.S. had to insist that it was not on a kill-only mission. If the U.S. had formally announced that it intended to kill bin Laden, no matter what, I don't think anyone interested in the story would care. But, sadly, it's gone from OBL firing guns and using one of his wives as a human shield to merely being in the room, unarmed, and being shot. Quite a difference but only, really, raising this level of scrutiny because the U.S. still makes the claim that they intended to capture him if they could.

The story is starting to clarify a bit too quickly, I think, for some people's tastes and since Pakistan is apparently willing to cause a major stink about this, I don't think the White House is keen on the official story and Pakistan's story starting to harmonize, unintentionally. All the accounts, from all the various sources (official and unofficial) are very, very close to each other, only differing in minor ways, if they differ at all.

Again: ...if they differ at all.

PB
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:59 AM
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6. There are many things in life
and especially in the Government that you just aren't going to find out. Based on your subject heading you seem to think you should be allowed cart blanche access to all government records. Sorry Charlie, without clearance you ain't going to get close.

Did he resist? I don't give a shit, he knew the consequences of his actions would result in his death.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:11 AM
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8. If they told us what happened during UBL's final moments,
...maybe you'd be pleased but some other citizens wouldn't.

Those citizens should be informed, too.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:45 AM
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3. Things are getting out of hand, eh? nt
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:59 AM
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5. aka they can't control the message so they shut it down. nt
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:17 AM
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12. While I'm glad they got him, this thing is starting to raise more questions than answers
The more I see backtracking and now this type of thing, I can't help but wonder what the hell happened in an event that should be fully explained because of it's importance to warrant all of this post-action waffling.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:17 AM
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11. good. cause per du, the public does not seem to be mature enough to handle specific
if they give anymore info it is declared they are changing their story.

so i guess this means, the public wants no more
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:52 AM
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14. Well, that settles it then: gotta wait for Wikileaks.
;-)
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 11:52 AM
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16. And here come the 'visitors'. nt
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