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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:43 AM
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Best Part of Last Night's Republican Debate: Ron Paul on Heroin
Edited on Fri May-06-11 08:47 AM by kpete
Ron Paul on Heroin
posted by ELI SANDERS on FRI, MAY 6, 2011 at 6:00 AM

..............

And the best part of the best part:

As Ron Paul starts in on his heroin lecture he's basically being laughed off the South Carolina stage. Then, in just two minutes and thirty seconds, he manages to gently point out the GIANT contradiction in a bunch of small-government, freedom-first conservatives cheering for government to interfere in people's private lives.

Now, the presence of this kind of contradiction isn't news or a revelation to anyone who pays attention to politics. But it's not easy to explain the contradiction to a crowd like this, to basically tell a bunch of South Carolina conservatives that they're being unthinkingly inconsistent. Ron Paul does that, and at the end of his two minutes and thirty seconds he essentially has a hall full of Republicans cheering for heroin legalization.

USA!

WATCH THE VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9n4nwxgaQg&feature=player_embedded

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:45 AM
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1. Ron Paul Was On Heroin During The Debate, Ma'am?
That deserves some coverage....
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:46 AM
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2. Ron Paul on heroin.
That would explain a lot now that I think about it....
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 09:10 AM
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6. more like the black tar variety.
anyone who thinks that ron paul is exhibiting human like empathy or emotions, need to look know further than his stance on SS and medicare.

The guy is a fuck, plain and simple.

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 10:14 AM
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14. Ron Paul = Broken clock, right twice a day, etc eom
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:50 AM
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3. I Dislike Ron Paul A Lot Less Than Most Republicans
And when he was still morally courageous to call himself a Libertarian, I liked him even more (as much as it's possible for me to like a Libertarian). There are a couple of his positions he holds that I actually agree with. And that's why he'll never be the Republican Party's nominee. He doesn't kowtow to the whacko fringe that the rest of the Party considers their "base."
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 09:15 AM
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7. broken clock candidate...
right on pot and pulling out of the wars.

Completely wrong on womens rights, taxes, IRS, SS and medicare and a whole list of others.

paul is all about paul. if the conversation isn't about him, he will make it about him.

I live in Austin and have and the displeasure of listening to the glad handing idiot for a very long time.

I have had the displeasure of having to educate halfwit 20 something college students who follow after paul like puppies because he wants to legalize pot but fail to look deeper into his actual platform.

this guy is a blight with a smile. He's a a disease with a handshake.

it's the likes of paul and his spawn that make the john birch society now part of the conversation.

he is a disgusting individual.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 09:59 AM
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11. Well, he is far more liberal about ending the wars than most democrats in power.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 10:07 AM
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13. Comparing asshole paul to a bunch of blue dogs is completely disingenuous.
Edited on Fri May-06-11 10:09 AM by Javaman
it's really very hard to claim that paul is in any sense liberal.

Getting out of the war would save money and legalizing pot would make money. That is his reasoning.

don't ever confuse those stances with being liberal. Because they are not.

A liberal stance would be: get out of the war because it's killing people and legalize pot because it's ridiculous to lock up people for it.

He has never ever made statments that even hint of a liberal bent.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 10:45 AM
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16. I agree with you. But it's fashionable to attack him even though
on many issues he is rational and sincere. And he is also consistent.

And, to those who say he lacks compassion, he used to, not sure if he still does, treat the poor in his district for free (he's a Dr.). He is wrong about healthcare though. He's far too idealistic as he believes that the government doesn't need to provide it, if we lived in a society where doctors, like him, would treat people who can't afford it. Now, that's crazy thinking :-).

But, he's a decent guy and it's a shame that people feel the need in politics to attack those they disagree with rather than just disagree and explain why. It would have a much better effect imo.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 01:39 PM
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18. he's a fascist, sabrina. as the poster said, don't mistake his position on drugs
for liberalism -- or "decency".
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 05:56 PM
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19. He may be, Hannah, but no more so than any of the rest of them
At least he has always opposed the wars and torture and all of our other colonialist foreign policies. As we have seen, both parties are only too happy to keep the war machine running and all of our other 'wars' such as the Drug War. I don't find him any more offensive than most of the rest of our politicians.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 10:36 PM
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20. well, you got me there. but i think he could be worse in several ways.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:52 AM
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4. Anybody who exposes faulty logic is doing a good thing
If it takes a teabagger to show the teabaggers what idiots they are, then fine by me.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 08:55 AM
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5. The funny part is how some people on DU will parrot his opinions about heroin
To explain why corporations should be able to aggressively market heroin to the public.


Why was gay marriage, prostitution, and pot bundled in with heroin and cocaine? Why are they conflating nearly harmless acts with pandemic drug use?
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 09:22 AM
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9. Because vice laws are a counter-productive waste of resources and humanity.
We have plenty of laws for going past the person's nose. We have laws for DUI, theft, murder, manslaughter, and about anything else a person might do that brings harm to another.

If folks want to use heroin then it is none of our affair.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 10:19 AM
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15. Non-sense, they are only "vice laws" to you because you don't live with the harm
We also have speed limits, environmental regulations, gun control, housing codes..... The people who suffer through the harm probably don't just pass it off as a vice, the neglected children, the distraught parents, and the broken lives.

What you are really saving is "I don't want to bear the burden of making other people's lives better."
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 09:16 AM
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8. literal snort, that killed his chances
as if he ever had any LOL
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 09:24 AM
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10. the Republican debates are the second part of the following statement:
"This is the American political debate process; this is the American political debate process on drugs."
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 10:02 AM
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12. Makes more sense to me than jailing people for a bag of weed, or killing their dogs.
Or, like Obama, going after sick people and their caregivers who grow marijuana for them.

Decriminalized heroin will not cause heroin usage to spike. But we can't have people saying that..they have to say approved soundbites.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:55 PM
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17. heroin? so passé
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mgjZK46_uw
worst thing is, the Rondroids I know are also fundie "Jayzus luvs you" Xtians
BTW, Murray Rothbard said narcotics should be legalized, that police be privatized (he acknowledges they will be in perpetual conflict--but, hey, they can't create death camps if they're disorganized, amirite?), and that it's more moral to let a retarded child starve to death than to tax someone else to feed them
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