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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:51 PM Original message |
How can a zoo enclosure for a leopard be easy enough for a 7 year old to get over? |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. Usually you have to give the kid a boost over the fence... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. 7 year olds are pretty agile |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Then you should have designed this zoo enclosure. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Actually I would have watched him more closely |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. You know what class trips are like. They had a whole class of 7 year olds |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Yes I am very familiar with field trips |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Well, I was one of those parents trying to watch 6 kids at once. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
93. Worst field trip of my life was accompanying six 5-year-olds at the zoo. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. I smell a lawsuit. A pity. Kids do the darndest things. They can get in anywhere, climb over |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. There obviously weren't enough chaperones on this trip |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. That zoo should have been child-proofed. There's no excuse for such poor design. A 4 ft. rail |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. It helps to have all the facts |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. That fact changes nothing. How hard is it to walk eight feet |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. It's been a few years since I have been to the Wichita Zoo, but IIRC, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. No, it's not a trench. You can see it here. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. And climb that fence. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. I read somewhere that he had gotten away from his group. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. If he was being watched, he wouldn't have gotten away |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. If the enclosure had been properly designed, he couldn't have near |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. exactly |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. The problem is that the child |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. "Child-proofed"? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Most of the visitors to a zoo are children. That's a fast way to go |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Sorry... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. The "barrier" was only 4 feet tall. What were they thinking? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. It's a barrier to the cage. The leopard did not leave the cage. Poor leopard in a cage. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. No one's blaming the leopard, who reacted completely normally. |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. A lawsuit?.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Perfectly justified, given the facts in the article. |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Keep the little fucks tethered or on a leash... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. No properly designed zoo enclosure would allow such easy contact |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. And?... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. No, an improperly designed enclosure is what is relevant. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. How many hundreds of thousands of kids visit this zoo every year? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. They've been lucky up till now. But their luck ran out. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. This is how zoos are built now |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. This enclosure wouldn't pass accreditation standards today. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. So now you're an expert on zoo accreditation standards? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Remember the case with the guy who got killed by an escaped tiger |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Wasn't that guy drunk and taunting the tiger? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
72. Right, that's the case. And that cage had a moat, but the tiger |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:47 AM Response to Reply #72 |
92. It's because the wall was too short. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
61. the san francisco zoo learned that the hard way! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. The SF Zoo learned about proper enclosure design the hard way. |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. The parents of the kid that wandered away and put himself in harm's way |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I agree with you |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. You think the TEACHER should be sued? Or the parents |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I don't think anyone should be sued |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Good answer. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. You just said you agreed with the previous poster, who said |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. I agree that the zoo isn't responsible |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. So, what part of a cage, a ditch and a fence don't you understand? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. One of the schools where I taught was actually banned from visiting an area attraction |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Sounds good to me. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Our zoo has a kid/adult ratio recommendation |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Exactly. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. There was NO DITCH. NO TRENCH. NO MOAT. There was a low rail and a cage with openings |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
57. I never mentioned a moat or a trench. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
71. 7 year olds routinely make dumb mistakes. That's part of being 7. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. The zoo charges for entry and/or takes taxpayer funds. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. The parent chaperones won't be sued, the school will |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. So, if the family has medical insurance that paid for any injuries, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Why shouldn't a zoo that charges for entry or takes taxpayer funds |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. You didn't answer my question. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
68. You don't think the 7 year old experienced trauma? |
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blueamy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 04:17 AM Response to Reply #68 |
96. I believe that if the kid suffered trauma because he chose |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:41 AM Response to Reply #18 |
90. Well the difference is the kid shouldn't have been doing any of it. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
46. I could have scaled almost anything at that age. And I did. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
50. Kids do stupid shit and get hurt every day. |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. There was once a time... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
79. Yes, which is what zoo designers are supposed to account for. n/t |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Meh. You can't plan for every imbecile on Earth. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. You can plan for normal childish curiosity -- and most zoos have. This zoo was lucky till now. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
56. The exhibit looks like many others I've seen. |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. I hope they put up better barriers - to protect the animals from being euthanized. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
75. There are better alternatives than this leopard's cage |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. I don't see anything wrong with what was there already. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Even an additional chicken wire fence between the cage and |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Meh. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Not if the chicken wire was set back enough from the cage. All the fingers and noses |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:21 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Yeah, I heard you the first time. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Better some bubbleproofing than losing lives |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 01:59 AM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Yeah, the TSA works kinda along those lines, too... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
62. Darwin at work. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. The rocket scientist is a 7 year old |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I was running in the desert with snakes, coyotes, mountain lions, and javelinas (etc.) when I was 5 |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. Which is why the ADULTS designing zoos need to take into consideration |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I blame a lack of Marlin Perkins' Wild Kingdom. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. The Disneyfication of nature. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Well, it's been going on for a long time.... |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. At seven I knew not to fuck with wild animals. nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. And you never ever made any other dumb mistakes, right? |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
70. When I was 7 years old I was climbing everything. Remember you don't weigh so much |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. There was just a railing and 8 feet of grass between the little boy |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 12:42 AM Response to Reply #78 |
91. The boy shouldn't have been approaching any cages. |
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athenasatanjesus (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
95. When I was 7 I could climb almost any roof or tree in the neighborhood. |
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taterguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
97. A 7 year old kid could easily get over the fence on the Golden Gate Bridge |
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orpupilofnature57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
98. The same way Hijackers set off alarms 1000 times, after learning |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-07-11 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
99. 7 isn't a toddler. Is this boy of normal intelligence? |
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