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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 09:11 AM
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Jon Stewart Spars With Social Conservative David Barton Over Church And State (VIDEO)
Jon Stewart isn't having any of top social conservative David Barton's views on the separation of church and state.

In an extended segment of The Daily Show on Wednesday, Stewart and Barton argued over the Founders' views of religion, and how religion is reconciled in American culture. Barton is known for preaching a somewhat revisionist version of American history, which focuses on the religious beliefs of the Founders, arguing that the country has mistakenly ignored those beliefs when it comes to teaching American history. Among his arguments is that "the Declaration of Independence is nothing more than a listing of all of the sermons that folks had been hearing in church in the decades leading up to the American Revolution."

But Stewart isn't impressed. "You seem to be taking your religious views," he told Barton, "channeling them through sort of a faux-scientific or historical method for use in political and curriculum activities. And that's where I think it creates some trouble."


As TPM has reported, Barton has gained prominence through his WallBuilders group, which touts a Christian-themed version of U.S. history. He's appeared on Glenn Beck's show multiple times, and even taught an online course for Glenn Beck University. Mike Huckabee is also a fan, saying that "I just wish that every single young person in America would be able to be under his tutelage." Barton also testified as an "expert" in the Texas Board of Education hearings on new textbook standards for the state.

But aside from his views of history, Barton has also suggested that perhaps the government should "regulate homosexuality," and argued that the Bible and the Pilgrims would oppose net neutrality.

All of this is why Stewart invited him on his show, arguing that despite "a hundred thousand documents" that Barton has obtained that may show the Founders were influenced by religion, the Constitution itself doesn't reflect whatever religious beliefs they had. Stewart asked: "Wouldn't they be explicit in the mention of religion if they wanted it so?"

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inademv Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 09:19 AM
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1. Alternate title: Jon Stewart yells at wall
You can't argue with funies like Barton. There is nothing to be gained.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 09:53 AM
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2. "You get presents for Christ's birth. When he dies you get a basket of candy. You can't LOSE!"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:10 AM
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3. I will give Barton this:
He kept civil the whole time and didn't go into rants about "libbruls" and socialists, and he
did give the appearance of backing up his own arguments.

People like Barton scare me way more than whackos like Coulter or Bachmann for that very reason.
Being full of shit and coming off as calm and rational means that he "wins" his arguments in the
eyes of religious nuts and right-wingers. Show this same interview to a bunch of freepers, and
they'll say Barton cleaned Stewart's clock even if we see it as the other way around.

David Barton is a much bigger danger to the country than Michelle Malkin or Sean Hannity will ever be.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 11:09 AM
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5. he was aware of his audience -- he probably ranted when he got back on his own turf
I used to listen to right-wing evangelical radio occasionally, and remember hearing Barton rant plenty about liberals. :)
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:13 AM
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4. Barton's good at sucking anecdotes out of his ass, but he's a fucking moron.
No wonder Texas has such fucked up textbooks - and unfortunately, being one of the largest markets, what is used there gets used all over the place.

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