WTF?!?! WHEN did Holder start an investigation into torture

hootinholler

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Sun May-08-11 03:12 PM
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WTF?!?! WHEN did Holder start an investigation into torture

Sorry I didn't find it in a cursory search.

Is the subject of this thread planting a seed of history modification?

Please let it be that we are at least looking a little sideways if not back.

-Hoot

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EFerrari

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Sun May-08-11 03:24 PM
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1. I don't know, hoot.

The president went over to CIA the first week or so of his term and told them publicly nobody was going to mess with them. It's hard to see him going back on that.

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hootinholler

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Sun May-08-11 03:27 PM
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3. I know I can't see what Cheney has to bitch about. n/t

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Roselma

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Sun May-08-11 03:26 PM
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2. On Bill Maher's program Friday this was mentioned by David Frum. At that

point, I did a search of the internet, and could find nothing on it. I think Frum was referring to the 2009 potential for an investigation. I could find this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obama-pledges-to-protect-cia-torture-operatives-1670067.html which basically indicated that Obama and Holder weren't going to pursue it. Then there was this: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/holder_cia_torture_review_almost_done.php, so I am really confused if there is now a new inquiry.

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DJ13

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Sun May-08-11 03:27 PM
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4. Frum

Say no more.......

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hootinholler

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Sun May-08-11 03:28 PM
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5. There's no fucking inquiry...

Edited on Sun May-08-11 03:30 PM by hootinholler

This is the seed of being able to claim there was an investigation 10 years from now.

Edit: We got Darth and Frum saying it. Who will be next? Was it on the Sundays?

-Hoot

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iamtechus

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Sun May-08-11 03:29 PM
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6. Cheney is getting panicky

I think that he is fishing for a either a denial or an explanation (if one is underway). His guilt has made him paranoid and it's driving him nuts wondering if they will come for him in the night.

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bjobotts

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Sun May-08-11 03:39 PM
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7. With what we already know Cheney is 10Xs the monster OBL ever was.History of lies,greed, power grab

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bjobotts

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Sun May-08-11 03:42 PM
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9. Now that we have a militarized CIA with Petraeus appoint.,there will be no investigation of torture

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sabrina 1

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Sun May-08-11 03:58 PM
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10. That's what Col. Wilkerson said about why Cheney et al are all

over TV trying to credit torture with the Bin Laden death. He said when asked why they are doing this, that they are panicking and are desperately trying to justify what they did.

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emulatorloo

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Sun May-08-11 03:41 PM
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8. There was a thread the last few days re an 9/11 mother confronting Obama in NYC

Edited on Sun May-08-11 03:43 PM by emulatorloo

Over Holder's investigation into torture.

Along the lines of "torture saved lives, I know you cannot tell Holder what to do" "No, I can't" "Will you advise you want it stopped" "No I won't"

I do vaguely remember it being reported that Holder was going to do an investigation of those who went farther than the rulebook in place at the time, now that I think about it

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Tx4obama

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Sun May-08-11 04:06 PM
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13. Yep. See comment #12. n/t

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BzaDem

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Sun May-08-11 04:01 PM
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11. 2 second Google search reveals: Holder opens investigation into CIA interrogations

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/25/nation/na-interrogate-prosecutor25

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Tx4obama

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Sun May-08-11 04:05 PM
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12. Here's a thread that might interest you regarding Obama, Holder, and CIA torture investigation

Edited on Sun May-08-11 04:08 PM by Tx4obama

This happened the other day, when Obama was meeting behind closed doors with the 9/11 victims' families
Excerpt:

"... When he (Obama) got around to Burlingame, she used the moment to press him on Holder�s controversial investigation into the CIA�s �enhanced interrogation techniques.� When Obama told her he didn�t have the power to order the Attorney General what to do, she pushed him to make a public statement on it. ...)

See the article and the video below for more info

Playing Politics: 9/11 Widow Describes Slightly Contentious Meeting w/Obama on Fox News - FULL video
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1046335

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johnaries

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Sun May-08-11 04:45 PM
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14. When? August 2009.

Obviously you weren't paying attention. And perhaps your search skills need a little honing, because I found many recent and then current articles about it on the first try. Obviously you weren't using the right keywords.

Here, let me Google that for you:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=holder+investigation+interrogation

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chill_wind

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Sun May-08-11 07:39 PM
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15. 2009. Yoo, Bybee walked 2010. Jose Rodriguez as well.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/reports_doj_review_clears_yoo_in_toture_memo_probe.php

http://warcriminalswatch.org/index.php/news/40-recent-news/727-11-9-10-special-prosecutor-declines-to-file-criminal-charges-over-destruction-of-cia-torture-tapes

Rodriguez was never even called to testify.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40091824/

If there are any lower profile probes still open, I pretty much doubt Cheney et al has to sweat it too much.

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hootinholler

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Sun May-08-11 07:59 PM
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17. Freaking Ralph the Wonder-Llama could have prosecuted this.

It couldn't have been serious.

-Hoot

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chill_wind

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Sun May-08-11 08:22 PM
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18. And that's when there were some OLC people still left

that we actually thought would get somewhere.

Dream Team steadily departed. All gone.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/07/21/dream-team-at-olc-dismantled-as-marty-lederman-leaves-executive-branch/

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spanone

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Sun May-08-11 07:52 PM
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16. let's hope this is true

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