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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 11:51 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 81
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog">AJE Live Blog http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/">Telegraph http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://libya-alhurra.tumblr.com/">Libya Alhurra archives and updates http://www.ustream.tv/channel/benghaziradio">Benghazi Free Radio, in Arabic (may have translators present at times) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate https://twitter.com/#!/TheyCallMeSof">Sofyan Amry (arrived in Benghazi recently) http://twitter.com/#!/KiloFoot">KiloFoot (general Arab Spring news aggregation)

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1061810">Day 80 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


A Libyan boy looks out the window of a classroom at a school run by volunteers in the eastern rebel stronghold of Benghazi.

Photograph: Saeed Khan / AFP



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8500231/The-forgotten-frontline-in-Libyas-civil-war.html">The forgotten frontline in Libya's civil war
It is the unknown frontline in Libya's civil war, a rebel town besieged by Gaddafi's forces but almost ignored by the outside world.

Rockets and Scud missiles pour down. Water is running short. Tens of thousands are desperately trying to flee.


But transfixed by the horrors of Misurata, the international community - and the Nato military alliance - have all but overlooked the closely parallel drama in the mountain towns of Zintan and Yafran, little more than an hour's drive from the capital.

"We have been under fire for about an hour and a half now," said one Zintan resident, Mustafa Haider, by telephone from the town on Friday afternoon.


http://gulfnews.com/opinions/editorials/gaddafi-has-to-go-without-any-more-bloodshed-1.804610">Gaddafi has to go without any more bloodshed
Libya needs time to find its own way forward, without the presence of Muammar Gaddafi as leader and probably without any of his family in the future government. Military solutions look very unlikely to bring about any resolution, as the civil war has become stuck, with neither side being able to land a decisive blow. The future of Libya is not likely to be decided on the battlefield.

The Libya Contact Group met in Rome last week, and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the desired outcome was an end to violence and ‘the beginning of a democratic transition to a better future'. All the Nato, Arab and other countries in the group agreed that they were looking for a transition.

An excellent article last week by Shaikh Hamad Bin Jasem Al Thani, Qatar's Prime Minister and Foreign Minister, written with Italian Foreign Minister, Franco Frattini, was very clear that the international community wants a political solution in which the Libyan people alone will decide their country's future.

The two were right when they said that "the start of such (reconciliation) demands the cessation of violence, a ceasefire which requires Colonel Gaddafi's definitive departure if it is to be credible."


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0508/breaking43.html">Nato bombs Libyan weapons depot
Nato launched air strikes today against a Libyan government weapons depot near the rebel-held town of Zintan and heavy fighting was reported near Misrata airport in western Libya.

Zintan is in the Western Mountains region that has seen escalating conflict between forces loyal to Muammar Gadafy and rebels fighting to end his four decades in power.

"Nato struck weapons depots ... in an area which lies about 30km southeast of Zintan. We heard a loud explosion ... I think the strike hit some of them (the depots)," a rebel spokesman said by telephone from Zintan.

"We are now at a cemetery burying 11 people martyred during yesterday's fighting in which 35 fighters were also wounded," he said. There was rocket fire on the town yesterday from pro-Gadafy forces, the rebels said.


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/5/9/worldupdates/2011-05-08T220222Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_-568599-1&sec=Worldupdates">Libya rebels remake schools for Gaddafi-free thought
BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - How do you teach in schools where history books omitted revolutions, geography books had few maps and children learned never to question authority?

Libyan rebels are having to come up with responses to those and related issues as they try to reopen schools in rebel-held Benghazi where in the past much of the curriculum was devoted to the wisdom of longtime ruler Colonel Muamma Gaddafi.

Before the uprising against him began in February, "Mushtama" and "Fikr-al-Jamahiri" weekly lessons based on the Gaddafi doctrine were mandatory and the leader's thinking permeated everything from history to Arabic textbooks, rebels say.

Schoolchildren studied insights from Gaddafi's Green Book, which famously includes lines like "Women menstruate every month or so, while men, being male, do not" and were quizzed on topics like "Why was Gaddafi's 1969 revolution successful?"


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/05/06/libya.rape.case/">Alleged rape victim flees Libya
(CNN) -- Eman al-Obeidy, who garnered worldwide attention for her vocal rape allegations against the regime of Moammar Gadhafi, says she has fled Libya, fearing for her safety.

Al-Obeidy told CNN that she crossed into Tunisia on Thursday with the help of a defecting military officer and his family.

She said she left Tripoli in a military car, wearing a head cover that hid everything except one eye.

Al-Obeidy said she entered at the Dahibah border crossing disguised "in the local manner" and was not challenged. She described the trip from Tripoli as "very tiring."




http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=730234&mesg_id=731532

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/cf-libya-canada/20110317/?hub=WinnipegHome">Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFOSN00509220110318">Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-18/la-belgique-prete-a-une-operation-militaire-en-libye-828970.php">Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/776/?SID=e80884adc09a37d26904578a9b5978cb">Run-up for Western world’s next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/51229-denmark-ready-for-action-against-gaddafi.html">Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19libya.html?src=twrhp">Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action ‘Soon’ Italy: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72G2HE20110317">Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467">Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya-1.2765122">Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: http://www.smh.com.au/world/military-strikes-on-libya-within-hours-20110318-1bzii.html?from=smh_sb">Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/03/19/2801s627320.htm">Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://english.libya.tv/2011/04/25/eastern-libyans-believe-in-national-unity-distrust-au-and-turkish-mediation-survey-reveals/">The first free public opinion poll ever conducted in Libya reveals clues to Eastern Libyan sentiments
* 98 percent of the respondents do not support the division of Libya as a part of the political solution for the current conflict with the Gaddafi regime. Around 95 percent also don’t see any role for Gaddafi or his sons in a transitional period, and think it is impossible to implement any political reform in Libya if Gaddafi or one of his sons stays in power

* Around 96 percent of those polled, believe that the 17th of February revolution can consolidate the national unity of Libya and support the model of a democratic Libya based on a constitution which respects human rights

* Al-Qaeda has not played any role in the 17th of February revolution, say 94 percent of the Eastern Libyans, and 91 percent thinks it’s impossible for Al-Qaeda to play any political role in the new Libya

* The National Transitional Council is seen by 92 percent of those surveyed as “expressing the views and wishes of Libyans for change”


This is equivalent to 17% the entire population of Libya, doing the numbers very conservatively.


http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2011/03/2011328194855872276.html">Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/31/getting_libyas_rebels_wrong">Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/04/04/110404taco_talk_anderson#ixzz1HvS7iW22">Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, I’ve spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shabab—the young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and black—the suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/29/vision-democratic-libya-interim-national-council">A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.


http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2011/04/20/left-slipping-towards-qaddafi">The left: slipping towards Qaddafi?
When the revolt against Qaddafi started in Libya, hardly anyone on the left — however broadly defined — could say anything in defence of Qaddafi.

With the start of the "no-fly zone", many on the left started to sideline the issues within Libya and focus their efforts on denouncing NATO.

Now the denunciation of NATO, in turn, is acting as a lever to introduce defence of Qaddafi and denunciation of the rebels into broad-left discourse.

...

Everything is done by insinuation and sarcasm, just as old-style Stalinists used to deflect criticism of the USSR by studied wondering whether the regime was quite as bad as extreme Western right-wingers used to say, or whether the right-wingers' motives for criticism might be suspect.


http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/is-qaddafi-an-anti-racist/">Is Qaddafi an anti-racist?

...

One of the signs that you are dealing with a cruder form of propaganda is if the author does not bother to address evidence that contradicts his or her own. To be taken seriously on the question of Qaddafi’s commitment to pan-African values, you have to take a close look at his overall record, something that does not interest Forte who is so anxious to tilt the scales in favor of Qaddafi that he does not bother to conceal the fact that his hand rests upon the scale.

...



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 11:52 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 6:51am Monday, May 9
I'm so sorry for being late today, Mothers Day turned into an all day affair! Good day though. :)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 11:59 PM
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3. No need to apologize.
Could you add the Libya "Arab Awakening" video to the OP list?

K & R
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:03 AM
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5. I will do it tomorrow, I have been meaning to revamp the entire layout.
I'm still coming down from a really long day and will work on it tonight+tomorrow. :hi:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 11:57 PM
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2. K&R
Hi, Josh! :hi:






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:00 AM
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4. Libyan battles rage in western mountains
Barbara Miller reported this story on Monday, May 9, 2011 12:28:00

BARBARA MILLER: Wounded rebel fighters arrive at a hospital in Tunisia.

They've made the journey over the border from Zintan in Libya's western mountains and they say the situation there is grim.

ZINTAN REBEL (translated): The situation is catastrophic. We're facing armoured battalions with tanks, rocket launchers and anti-aircraft guns, and we have just simple weapons.

And the health situation is really bad as well. We don't have facilities. We bring all of the injured here. Ten of our friends have died because we couldn't get them to Tunisia overnight.

BARBARA MILLER: Some observers are calling the battle in the Nafusa mountains the forgotten frontline.

Human Rights Watch has spoken to several dozen people who say they've fled the area. The organisation says they give consistent and credible reports of indiscriminate attacks on civilians by pro-Gaddafi forces.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2011/s3211508.htm
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:04 AM
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6. Scores of Libyans Treated in Tunisian Hospital
The shelling of Tunisian border areas by pro-Gaddafi loyalists continued during the night from Saturday to Sunday, the official press agency TAP reported on Sunday.

Some 100 mortar shells fell near houses in the districts of Jbara and El Amal in Dhehiba, without causing any casualties or damages.

On Sunday morning, Tataouine's regional hospital welcomed more than 50 Libyans injured following violent clashes between Pro- Gaddafi forces and rebels in the town of Nalout, some 50 km from Dhehiba.

One of the people injured described the fighting in the Libyan town as "dramatic," in addition to the cutting of water supplies and power in the city for the past week, TAP said.

http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/05/09/2724s636228.htm
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:18 AM
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7. ****Eman al-Obeidi escapes to Tunisia****

Source: CNN


STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* Eman al-Obeidy accused Libyan security forces of rape in March

* She says she has fled to Tunisia with help from a defecting military officer

* She is hoping for protection from a western government



May 8, 2011 -- Updated 1330 GMT (2130 HKT)


(CNN) -- Eman al-Obeidy, who garnered worldwide attention for her vocal rape allegations against the regime of Moammar Gadhafi, says she has fled Libya, fearing for her safety.

Al-Obeidy told CNN that she crossed into Tunisia on Thursday with the help of a defecting military officer and his family.

She said she left Tripoli in a military car, wearing a head cover that hid everything except one eye.

Al-Obeidy said she entered at the Dahibah border crossing disguised "in the local manner" and was not challenged. She described the trip from Tripoli as "very tiring."

...


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/05/06/libya.rape.case/




Nic Robertson reported in a later update, "It now appears she's already moved on, out of Tunisia."

Updates reported that she escaped with two defecting army officers and their families, was aided by rebels in crossing the border, and then was helped by a European embassy.






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:20 AM
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8. If true the officers need to head to Benghazi.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:28 AM
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9. Update: Eman's family overjoyed to learn the news on TV


Al-Obeidy's mother learned about her daughter's escape after seeing news reports on TV, her father told CNN from the family's hometown of Tobruk, Libya. Atiq Al-Obeidy said that his wife then called him, and both parents were overjoyed.

Atiq Al-Obeidy admitted he was "not optimistic" that his daughter would be able to safely leave Libya, thinking forces loyal to Gadhafi "would do the worst to her, given his past."

"I am extremely delighted, and I will be looking forward to more information about how she was able to escape," the woman's father said.

http://us.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/05/08/libya.rape.case/index.html?hpt=T2








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:46 AM
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15. Eman al-Obeidi has attracted worldwide recognition and support


Libyan-American women demonstrate to show solidarity with Eman Al-Obaidi in Lafayette Park in front of the White House March 30, 2011, in Washington, DC. (Chip Somodevilla/GlobalPost)







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:40 AM
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21. Update: French Embassy helped Eman al-Obeidi, Sarkozy taking personal interest

CNN reported that she was taken to the French Embassy in Tunis and that French President Nicolas Sarkozy was taking a personal interest in her situation.


Al-Obeidi added that she had called relatives in Egypt but had not heard back from them.


Her father, Atiq al-Obeidi, told CNN that he had feared Gadhafi's forces would "do the worst to her, given his past."


"I am extremely delighted, and I will be looking forward to more information about how she was able to escape," he told CNN from rebel-held Tobruk.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42953132/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/








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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:31 PM
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59. Eman Al Obeidi is now in Qatar
@ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Breaking: Reports that Eman Al Obeidi is now in Qatar after she was assisted by the French embassy in Tunisia #libya #feb17
1 hour ago via web
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:39 AM
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10. From Al Jazeera Blog - Jhereg
Mohammad Qahtani
@qahtani said:
#Misrata #Libya
8-May-2011:

-Free fighters accomplished several victories against #Gaddafi troops

-East of Libya: specially at Shamteen Building on the costal road: @NATO
-@NATO also stroke large number of Gaddafi artillery was coming toward #Misrata @NATO attack.

-Clashes is still ongoing in Gheran Area and #Misratah airport & Air force academy

-Free fighter managed to block the end of the airport road (Zabbati roundabout) using truck filled sand (to prevent any Gaddafi troops from advancing from south using this road/block supply to G troops). Free fighter did this by maneuvering around Gaddafi troops in Ghiran area.

-At 16:00 Tripoli time: Gaddafi troops shelled Zarooq area in Misrata using mortars targeting civilians buildings/homes and schools where many Misratians are.

-Gaddafi troops tried to hit Misrata port using Grad missiles. In addition, Sea port is still closed for everyone.

-Most Of Misrata area has no: electricity, no water, no communication and sewage system is still not working. In addition, there is a shortage in cooking Gas

-There is also shortage in medicinal supplies specially with wounded numbers due to random shelling

-Total martyrs today: 6 most of them from Abu Rowaiah clashes.

-There is a determination among Free Fighter to clean their city from Gaddafi troops. Clashes/attacks on them are taking place daily

-Misrata civilians are coming back slowly to their daily routine, but still worried about random shelling.

Thanks to Wefaq Libya for posting the video and for Libya_united for assistance.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 01:01 AM
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11. Libyan Tribes' Appeal to Rebels Falls Flat

Source: The Wall Street Journal



MAY 8, 2011, 6:15 P.M. ET.

By RICHARD BOUDREAUX


TRIPOLI, Libya—Col. Moammar Gadhafi has turned to Libya's tribal leaders in a new effort to erode a Western-backed insurgency, but the initiative, including the promise of an amnesty, is having no immediate impact on the stalemated conflict.


The rebel leadership dismissed an appeal by hundreds of tribal elders to engage in peace talks. And the tribal chiefs, who held a nationally televised conference in Tripoli, stopped short of pledging armed followers to back up the Libyan leader's military campaign.

...


Tribal loyalties and influence have diminished in recent decades as Libya's population has become more mobile and urban, social scientists say. Tens of thousands of members of the predominately western tribes that form the core of Col. Gadhafi's support now live in Benghazi and in March staged a demonstration there calling on their western cousins to join the revolt.

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George Joffe, a Cambridge University professor who has studied Libya's tribal politics, said the gathering may have been staged more for audiences in the West "in the hope of creating the impression that Col. Gadhafi enjoys widespread support." Even that support was limited. Two weeks after government officials suggested that armed tribal groups might take up the siege of Misrata, there was no mention of such action at the conference.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704681904576311492781200746.html









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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:30 AM
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28. MSM and the tribal meme
The MSM continues to ignorantly promote a "tribal" meme in its reporting despite the fact that tribes play very little role in day to day Libyan life. Tribal "elder" is not even an informal title. Gaddafi is simply playing on the West's bigotry and ignorance of Libya and its culture to portray this revolution as anything other than the fight of the oppressed against the oppressor.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 01:38 AM
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12. Libya: End Indiscriminate Attacks in Western Mountain Towns--HRW
Source: Human Rights Watch (Press Release)





Civilians Killed, Homes, Mosques, and a School Damaged


May 9, 2011





(Beirut) - Libyan government forces have launched what appear to be repeated indiscriminate attacks on mountain towns in western Libya, Human Rights Watch said today.


Accounts from refugees who fled the conflict say the attacks are killing and injuring civilians and damaging civilian objects, including homes, mosques, and a school. Human Rights Watch called on Libyan forces to cease their indiscriminate attacks on civilian areas.


Human Rights Watch interviewed more than 50 refugees from Libya's western Nafusa mountains in Tunisia from April 26 to May 1, 2011, as well as doctors and aid workers assisting those in need. The refugees gave consistent and credible accounts of indiscriminate shelling and possible rocket attacks in residential areas of the rebel-controlled towns of Nalut, Takut, and Zintan. Human Rights Watch could not confirm the refugees' accounts due to government restrictions on travel in western Libya but, taken together, they describe a pattern of attacks that would violate the laws of war.


"Accounts from refugees paint a consistent picture: Libyan government forces are firing indiscriminately into towns and villages of the Nafusa mountains," said Nadya Khalife, Human Rights Watch researcher, who interviewed Libyan refugees in Tunisian hospitals and refugee camps. "The scale of the attacks, which have damaged mosques, homes, and landed near hospitals, suggests the government has made little or no attempt to focus on military targets."


The refugees said that government attacks from the outskirts of Nalut, Takut, and Zintan had damaged mosques, water facilities, homes, and a school, as well as landed outside two hospitals. The refugees said they had not seen rebel fighter activity or other military targets in the areas that were attacked.

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http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/05/09/libya-end-indiscriminate-attacks-western-mountain-towns









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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:08 AM
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13. Editorial: Troubled spring

Source: Toledo Blade


Published: 5/9/2011



...


The Syrian government calls the protesters terrorists.


That’s better than Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, who said al-Qaeda slipped hallucinogens into the coffee of young people to make them revolt. Gadhafi, however, may succeed in waiting out his foreign and domestic opponents.


The NATO allies that control the skies above Libya — ostensibly to protect civilians — are growing weary of the military stalemate. NATO members are considering whether to finance the rebellion rather than to continue air strikes.

...


What these fragile democratic movements need, journalist David Ignatius wrote in Foreign Policy magazine, are good leadership and foreign support. The United States and the Obama Administration can provide both.


The growth of democracy in the Middle East and North Africa is in the interests of the United States. So is a peaceful resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and broader Arab-Israeli disputes. Access to Middle Eastern oil and combatting Islamic terrorism also are vital U.S. interests, which sometimes conflict. But that should not stop President Obama from lending strong support to the cause of democracy wherever it emerges.


And it should not stop the President from making clear to dictatorial regimes that they can either ride the rising tide of freedom or risk being drowned by it.



http://toledoblade.com/Editorials/2011/05/09/Troubled-spring.html










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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:34 AM
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14. African migrants fleeing Libya died at sea under NATO's eyes
Dozens of African migrants fleeing Libya died at sea in a failed attempt to reach Europe, even though they had apparently been spotted by NATO personnel, the Guardian newspaper reports.

The migrants' boat ran out of fuel and became lost in the Mediterranean in late March, drifting for 16 days. Of its 72 passengers, 61 died at sea of starvation and exposure, while two others died after the boat washed ashore near Misurata. The remaining nine were arrested by government soldiers, released after four days, and are currently hiding in Tripoli.

The Guardian learned that an unidentified military helicopter delivered food and water to the boat while it was adrift, that the Italian coast guard had been alerted to its presence, and that the boat had once drifted within site of an aircraft carrier - like the French Charles de Gaulle.

8:35am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:03 AM
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16. Misrata: Supplies running low in besieged Libyan rebel city
Source: Los Angeles Times





Attacks on Misurata's port by forces loyal to Moammar Kadafi have disrupted the supply of aid. The city may run out of food and fuel in a few weeks.


By Patrick J. McDonnell, Los Angeles Times
May 9, 2011


Reporting from Benghazi, Libya— Food and fuel supplies are running low in the besieged western Libyan city of Misurata, where government shelling and rocket strikes on the port have slowed humanitarian deliveries, a rebel official here said Sunday.


The city has supplies of "basic foodstuffs" that might last about a month, and fuel was likely to be on hand for two to three weeks, Saddoun Misurati, an opposition spokesman, told reporters in the eastern city of Benghazi, the de facto rebel capital.


Misurata has been under siege by forces loyal to Moammar Kadafi for almost two months. Its struggle has become emblematic of the revolt that has sought to oust the Libyan leader, who has been in power for more than 40 years.


Pro-regime troops based on the city outskirts have in recent days stepped up shelling and rocketing of the vital port, the spokesman said, slowing relief efforts via the city's only lifeline. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization has also accused Kadafi's forces of mining the harbor in a bid to halt aid efforts.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-fighting-20110509,0,2013340.story








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:24 AM
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17. Editorial: Libya’s rebels get a lifeline
Source: Toronto Star



Published On Mon May 9 2011


By now even Libyan despot Moammar Gadhafi’s closest cronies must see the writing on the wall in the bloodiest of the Arab awakenings. Despite the savagery of their assaults on cities such as Misrata and Zintan, where they have used rockets, tank fire and artillery on civilians, their drive to roll back Libya’s democratic reformers has been stopped in its tracks. They will not prevail.

...


Under a Canadian general, thousands of United Nations-sanctioned airstrikes have destroyed much of Gadhafi’s war machine, killed some of his family and sent his entourage diving for cover. Those strikes will continue until Gadhafi stops attacking civilians, his troops retreat to their bases and humanitarian aid flows unhindered.


Meanwhile, Benghazi-based reform leaders Mahmoud Jibril and Mustafa Abdul Jalil are drawing up detailed plans for the interim government that will take over if and when Gadhafi’s regime implodes and the current stalemate ends. They will welcome figures from the old regime who don’t have blood on their hands.

...


If Gadhafi had hoped to wait out the international community or to partition Libya, that hope must by now be wearing thin. The world is unwilling to let him spill “rivers of blood” to maintain his grip. He should negotiate an exit while he can.


http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/article/987803--libya-s-rebels-get-a-lifeline








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:03 AM
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18. The bloody crackdown in Syria appears to escalating
From The Guardian:

There are fresh reports of gunfire in the Damascus suburbs of Madamya and Daraya; as more accounts of the suppression against the protest movement emerge from Homs, Banias, and Deraa.

A 12-year-old boy was among the victims in Homs overnight, 12-year-old boy was among the victims in Homs overnight, Reuters reports. More than 250 people, including children, were arrested in the coastal down of Banias, according to the leading Syria dissident Ammar Abdulhamid.

He claims the favourite weapons of the Bashar al-Assad's regime are tanks and sectarianism.


The city (of Banias) remains under siege and basic services, including water, electricity and communications lines are down. Snipers and tanks are reported all over the Sunni areas in this mixed city of over 50,000. The Assads' policy remains hinged at driving a wedge between the Sunni, Alawite and Christian communities, as protests in the city witnessed large participation by Alawite and Christian residents.


The regime continues to try to pin the blame for the violence on "terrorist" groups.

Iran is playing an increasingly active role advising Syria on the crackdown, western diplomatic sources in Damascus told the Guardian's Simon Tisdall.


A senior western diplomat in Damascus expanded on assertions, first made by White House officials last month, that Iran is advising president Bashar al-Assad's government on how to crush dissent.

The diplomat pointed to a "significant" increase in the number of Iranian personnel in Syria since protests began in mid-March. Mass arrests in door-to-door raids, similar to those that helped to crush Iran's "green revolution" in 2009, have been stepped up in the past week.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/may/09/syria-libya-middle-east-unrest-live#block-1






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:06 AM
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19. Also, Egypt is having troubles (Christian vs Muslim clashes):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13325845">Egypt warns of 'iron fist' response after clashes
Egypt's justice minister has warned that those who threaten the country's security will face "an iron fist".

Abdel Aziz al-Gindi was speaking after 12 people died and more than 180 were wounded during clashes between Muslims and Christians in Cairo.

More than 190 people detained after the fatal clashes will face military trials, Egypt's army says.

The ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces called the move a "deterrent" against further violence.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:57 AM
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22. Why is the West so sluggish on Syria?

Jackson Diehl
Deputy Editorial Page Editor
Published: May 8 (The Washington Post)



The Obama administration and most of its European allies have been consistently sluggish about siding with the Arab revolutionaries. But nowhere has that fecklessness been more obvious, more damaging and less defensible than in Syria.

...


The regime’s response, from the very beginning, has been brutality rivaling that of Moammar Gaddafi in Libya. On March 23, security forces opened fire on crowds in Daraa. Mass shootings of peaceful marchers have occurred every few days since then. Altogether, more than 700 Syrians had been reported killed. Nearly 10,000 have been detained, of whom several hundred have disappeared.


...


My guess is that U.S. policy in Syria has been hamstrung by some of the same factors that have slowed U.S. responsiveness all through the Arab uprisings. There is, first of all, a reluctance to set aside conventional notions about Arab politics, and disbelief in the possibility of revolutionary change. There is anxiety about what might follow the collapse of dictatorship. And there is unwillingness to get in front of regional allies who are themselves invested in the status quo.

...


The bloodbath of the past few weeks has mostly snuffed out this fantasy of “Assad the reformer.” But the fear of what could follow him remains. A Post news article last week summed up the conventional wisdom, asserting that the fall of the regime “would unleash a cataclysm of chaos, violence and extremism.”

...


“What I’m hoping is that Washington will learn what even the Israelis realize, that he is going,” Monajed said. “So it would be better for the future at this point to show at least some signs of siding with the Syrian people. Our guess is that 24 hours before the end, Washington will finally switch sides.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-is-the-west-so-sluggish-on-syria/2011/05/05/AFmaPPTG_story.html








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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:38 AM
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29. The difference in my mind
Very early in the Libyan revolution, there were significant military units that switched sides and the rebels won several key victories, especially in Benghazi and Misurata. While demonstrations in Syria are widespread, the military has held together other than several isolated cases of small units and individuals defecting, and no city has switched over to the revolutionaries.

The West is denouncing the Syrian crackdown, but asking the West to step in at this point is asking too much. Syria has over 3x the population of Libya and a much bigger army. It is also adjacent to major population centers with its neighbors, unlike Libya, which is bordered by sparsely inhabited deserts on all sides which provide a buffer for Libya's neighbors.

Syrian intervention would be very serious, and have bigger political and military implications than intervening against Gaddafi, who was isolated and whose military was relatively weak. The Syrian revolutionaries have to show they can win before the West can risk getting involved. An important general and at least one significant military formation has to defect or at least refuse to fight first.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:31 AM
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20. Egypt imposes visa restrictions on Libya


Updated: 06:37, Monday May 9, 2011

Egypt has imposed visa restrictions on Libyans in a move that will block Libyans trying to escape the conflict from entering the country.


'All Libyans wishing to enter Egypt must first obtain a visa from any Egyptian embassy,' the foreign ministry told the official MENA news agency on Sunday.


...


http://www.skynews.com.au/world/article.aspx?id=610371&vId=








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:09 AM
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23. Shortages Frustrating Libyans in the Capital
Source: The Tripoli Post



09/05/2011 11:10:00


It has become so frustrating to try and drive around in search of one’s needs in the Libyan capital. Tripoli residents are feeling the sting of shortages resulting from the three-month uprising that took off from Benghazi in mid-February.


The shortages are affecting daily life as international sanctions have begun to be felt and many supply routes have become unstable. The shortages are not just in food and commodities, but also of skilled people in some sectors to keep the city running smoothly.


Shortage of fuel at the petrol stations and the wait to fill up their car tanks has become unbearable for the residents at times. Soldiers guarding gas stations have had to endure abuse and screaming from motorists wasting time in kilometres-long fuel lines with the hope of getting their needs.

...


Libyan TV keeps putting the blame for the shortages on NATO, and its airstrikes, while average residents blame hardships on the regime.

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http://tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=1&i=5988








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:26 AM
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24. University makes do after a top prof left to become Libya TNC Finance Minister
Source: The Daily of the University of Washington



By Daron Anderson
May 9, 2011


It’s been more than two months since UW professor Ali Tarhouni left for Libya to contribute to the formation of a new democratic government. Tarhouni, who taught business economics at the UW, was scheduled to teach Managerial Economics this quarter. ....

...


Tarhouni was sentenced to death in Libya 35 years ago for his activism and support for democracy. Yet even as he lived and worked in the United States, he was still a leader of and involved with the Libyan rebel movement, which is why he left Seattle Feb. 27 to join the rebels’ fight for freedom.

...


Upon arriving in Libya, Tarhouni was announced as the finance minister for the Libyan opposition national council March 28. Although his departure to Libya was sudden, many at Foster support his decision to leave.

...


“If he doesn’t come back by next year, we are going to have to shift around schedules so we can pick up the classes he normally teaches,” Rice said. “Any time a good faculty member leaves … it creates disruption. But it’s part of the way life is in any institution­ — you just have to adapt.”

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http://dailyuw.com/2011/5/9/foster-without-tarhouni/








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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:04 AM
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26. NPR: U.S. Professor Reflects On Return Home To Libya
Edited on Mon May-09-11 06:13 AM by Iterate
U.S. Professor Reflects On Return Home To Libya

April 26, 2011

The rebels in Libya are short of many things these days — weapons, money, even Cabinet ministers.

In the largely improvised scramble to set up an alternative to leader Moammar Gadhafi's regime, the rebels are leaning heavily on a small number of people. One of them is Ali Tarhouni, a University of Washington economics professor who abruptly left his family and students to join an uncertain Libyan revolution.

Tarhouni is not an easy man to sit down with these days; it would be an exaggeration to call him a one-man Cabinet, but sometimes it seems that way.

As he settles onto a leather couch in a Benghazi office on one recent day, the phone rings. He springs off the couch and speed walks out of the room to hand the phone to an aide. Otherwise the interview will never happen, he says.

more...
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/26/135599582/u-s-professor-reflects-on-return-home-to-libya

or
Listen to the Story
All Things Considered
http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=135599582&m=135745182



I'm sure this was posted before. Here's a background story for those who might have missed it.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:33 AM
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25. Audio reports from Yefren
From feb17voices

LPC #Yefren: Gaddafi forces' mostly located at the hospital & hotel
about 13 hours ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/351623-lpc-yefren-english-gaddafi-forces-mostly-located-at-the-hospital-hotel-libya-feb17

LPC #Yefren: Most young children & women, have left either to #Tripoli or Tunisia

http://audioboo.fm/boos/351632-lpc-yefren-english-most-young-children-women-have-left-either-to-tripoli-or-tunisia-libya-feb17

Also, there was this report yesterday of the explosion at the Al-Qa-aa weapons depot, which was detailed in other sources as well.

LPC #Jadu: 75 hanger weapons storage facility hit by NATO strikes south of Zintan
about 16 hours ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/351517-lpc-jadu-english-75-hanger-weapons-storage-facility-hit-by-nato-strikes-south-of-zintan-libya-feb17

Map of the area:
http://twitpic.com/4v5skb/full
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:28 AM
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27. Misrata survivor: 'Oh God, it's like a horror movie'
Misrata survivor: 'Oh God, it's like a horror movie'
By the CNN Wire Staff
May 9, 2011 -- Updated 0820 GMT (1620 HKT)

(CNN) -- The United Nations' humanitarian chief is expected Monday to brief the Security Council on fighting between Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's forces and rebels, including the heavy toll it has taken in the port city of Misrata.

Survivors in Misrata -- the only city in western Libya held by rebels -- described what the carnage inflicted by indiscriminate shelling has wrought: crushed bones, burns and amputations.

"They are shelling the port and civilian neighborhoods. It has become an operation of revenge, not just taking over the city of Misrata," said Ibrahim al-Neairy, a rebel who was injured in the fighting and evacuated to Benghazi.

The briefing to the U.N. Security Council comes after its 15 members approved a resolution in March that called for the protection of civilians from Gadhafi's regime by any means necessary. Since March 31, a NATO-led coalition has been pounding pro-government targets across the country.

more of the story...
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/05/09/libya.war/index.html

video report: http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/05/09/sidner.libya.misrata.horror.cnn



Included are interviews with Misrata residents who were evacuated to Benghazi by the IOM.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 07:58 AM
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30. Video of cloud rising from Al-Qa'aa arms depot attack.
May8th Nato's bombardment of Al-Qa'aa arm depots 35km S. Zintan. Cameraman's filming from #Zintan

http://youtu.be/ufcr98UaRR4

A crowd gathers in Zintan to look into the sky at a cloud rising from an explosion at the Al-Qa'aa underground arms depot.

It's the explosion mentioned by this source as being seen from towns 30 miles away:
http://audioboo.fm/boos/351517-lpc-jadu-english-75-hanger-weapons-storage-facility-hit-by-nato-strikes-south-of-zintan-libya-feb17

Yesterday tabatha found a source here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1061810&mesg_id=1066475

who described the explosion as being about 1.4 kilotons, with a debris thrown to nearly 10,000 feet, smoke and a shockwave that reached 20,000 feet, and left a crater 830m x 670m.

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:30 AM
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40. Quite the secondary explosion
I bet the pilot was surprised.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:00 AM
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31. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 3 PM MONDAY, MAY 9
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:28 AM
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32. Gerhard Heinz - Al Jazeera blog commenter
Edited on Mon May-09-11 08:52 AM by tabatha
2 hours ago
nato hit daffis hardware hard
if you see nato statements
key targets=planed targets
may be a amu store or a tank or rocket louncher in a critical position.
a rocket launcher without fresh rockets is worth nothing .
if nato see 4 rocket launchers deployed with amu from one store they destroy this store first.
and now there is a lack of comunikation on daffis side ,the rocket launchers have to tell somebody that they need amu and this one have to order another amu depot to deliver.
so i think chaos is breaking out in daffis logistic since 2 weeks ,becouse they need also the list of the the parts and the places but most of the comand-centers are gone.
war is running by paper and computer in an modern war and daffi is on the way to stone-age.
and also there are a lot of targets not shown in the nato briefings .the reason is simple ,not to give daffi to much info


3 hours ago
westen mountain devellopment today
ff attack daffis troops now and are not longer repelling attacks from them.
they are cleaning now the mountain area.
a lot of daffis man give simply up.

misrata
ff make gains in the outskirts spezial to west
remaining troops of daffi surounded in the airport area not realy strong .
most of their heavy weapons gone
rebels take parts of the highway

trpoli
daffi give uo controll-points and reinforce other controll-points ,looks like regrouping for endgame.
the regime calls for serve of reservist is follwed very weak and the points of "camping-places" in landscape round tripoli is growing .
so may be most of the resevist are on camping holiday today.


5 hours ago
about daffi+ sons
i have no information about daffi
even his sons move thru tripoli in two cars with only 7 bodygards each.
they know if they tell somebody about their movement they are dead.
tripoli is full of ff spys and even about 60 % of the goverment is working for ff and give informations.
the intelli reports from tripoli in the last weeks increase dramaticly.



5 hours ago
nato change gear now
nato is like a steam engine
you make more fire ,nothing happend in this moment but after minutes the turnamend increase.
3 days ago i told you new jets coming in.and also some spezial equippment.
bomb rides will be now 24 hours per day with nealy double of the intensity .
this is now the endgame week for daffis armys heavy equippment.
the regime in tripoli is now on a status to buy days with lives.
there are some good news i can write you early this afternoon.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog
Btw, there are now 13772 comments on that blog, and the easiest way to find the comments above is to sort them by "Popular Now".

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:49 AM
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34. Salwinder - comments on Al Jazeera
Edited on Mon May-09-11 08:55 AM by tabatha
7 hours ago
Wow. I've just seen the latest report on Libya from Emma Hurd for Sky News. This is Sky's perception of what is happening:

1) Rebels are dying in large numbers in the east of the country as battles there rage on.
2) Rebels are fighting battles in the Western Mountains without any NATO support and are making no headway.
3) Misratah remains mired in fighting that has lasted for weeks with no progress worth reporting. Pictures shown in the report are a month old.
4) Libya is locked in stalemate with no prospect of military progress for NATO or the rebels.

This is NOT the situation on the ground as I understand it and is far removed from the reports we are getting from Gerhard and people in Libya directly involved in the conflict. Whilst I understand that reporter's movements are restricted in Libya, it's as if there is an absence of critical thinking or any willingness to pro-actively analyse what is happening in Libya.

One of the key things we have seen in this conflict is the limited extent to which mainstream media can be trusted to provide in-depth insight into what is going on. It's a shame because it is causing many people to presume that there is a stalemate and therefore question the wisdom of any military intervention at all in Libya going forward.


Accurate news is somewhere inbetween these, I think, because Gerhard does not talk to people on the ground fleeing to Tunisia.

(I guess there are no copyright issues wrt comments on Al Jazeera?)
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:04 PM
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50. Glad that others notice
The Sky News and Reuters of the world are just wrong. The progress the revolutionaries are making is accelerating. Several twitter sources saying they are on the outskirts of Zliten right now. That is 40km from Misurata. Increasing guerrilla activity in Tripoli.

If Sky News and Reuters have been right all along, this war would have been long over with a Gaddafi victory.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:31 AM
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33. Gambia to seize multi-million dollar Libyan assets
Gambia to seize multi-million dollar Libyan assets

Published on 9 May 2011 - 12:15pm

The Gambian high court on Monday granted an application allowing the government to seize millions of dollars worth of Libyan assets in the tiny west African country.

Judge Awa Bah ruled that the Gambian goverment can take immediate possession and control of the Libya African Investment Company "until a government recognized by the United Nations is in place in Libya".

While the assets were not named in court, the investment company owns a multi-million dollar five-star hotel, the Jerma Beach, the Laico Atlantic Hotel in the capital, Banjul, said to be worth $18 million (12 million euros), and Dream Park, a children's amusement park.

"The court is convinced that the Libyan African Investment Company (Gambia) Limited is a creation of the Moamer Kadhafi-led government," Bah said.

more...
http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/gambia-seize-multi-million-dollar-libyan-assets
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:58 AM
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35. Nato denies letting 61 migrants die in drifting boat
Nato has denied claims by a British newspaper that its naval units left dozens of migrants aboard a drifting boat in the Mediterranean to die.

It said it was unaware of the plight of the boat, which reportedly was adrift for more than two weeks.

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However, Nato said in a statement: "Only one aircraft carrier was under Nato command on those dates, the Italian ship Garibaldi. Throughout the period in question, the Garibaldi was operating over 100 nautical miles out to sea. Therefore, any claims that a Nato aircraft carrier spotted and then ignored the vessel in distress are wrong."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13332536

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:07 AM
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36. ChangeInLibya Mhalwes tweets
Edited on Mon May-09-11 09:08 AM by tabatha
Egypt: Unconfirmed: Reports tht security agents uncovered a Gaddafi regime ring tasked with assassinating NTC members/sneaking into Benghazi
35 minutes ago

Zintan: Eyewitness: NATO want to finish off Gaddafi's ammo bunkers in Nafousa mtns, air strikes started 4 hrs ago and haven't stopped #libya
1 hour ago

More loud explosions at the underground ammo bunkers south of Zintan and close to Midzah (how many does Gaddafi have??) #libya #feb17
1 hour ago

Nalut: The city is being bombarded by Gaddafi forces (artillery, GRAD missiles) once again, for the 10th day in a row #libya #feb17
2 hours ago

Retweet please, #Zohair Adham whom I know personally as he's married to my first cousin is Admiral of #Gaddafi's navy & recruiting Somalis
2 hours ago

Misrata: Gaddafi forces left all of their ammo, vehicles and mortars near Shanteen and legged it - most of it was left intact for us #libya
3 hours ago

Yesterday's NATO bombardment on Shanteen took out 100+ Gaddafi forces and the rest ran away and were surrounded by revolutionaries #libya
3 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:11 AM
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37. Desperation and hope among Misratah’s wounded
By Diana Eltahawy, Amnesty International’s Libya researcher

During the long road journey to Benghazi from Saloum in Egypt, I barely felt the impact of the ongoing conflict in Libya, but for a few checkpoints and some thuuwar (revolutionaries) practicing shooting Kalashnikov rifles into the open desert space. Stores were open, people went about their daily activities; there were even some traffic jams around Marg. Upon arrival at the hotel in Benghazi, I was greeted with a bustling, almost jovial, atmosphere in the lobby.

That illusion of normality was quickly shattered the following morning during hospital visits, where the wounded from other parts of Libya were receiving treatment.

At the Benghazi Medical Centre, the Amnesty International delegation met 29 year-old Hanan Mohamed who arrived from Misratah on 5 May on a ship chartered by the International Organization for Migration. The ship evacuated some 800 people, including foreign nationals stranded at Misratah’s port for weeks and over 40 wounded.

http://livewire.amnesty.org/2011/05/09/desperation-and-hope-among-misratah%E2%80%99s-wounded/
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:16 AM
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38. Libya: Providing medical and surgical treatment to the wounded in Misrata
As the bombings continue, MSF teams are ramping up their medical activities and performing surgeries in the northern part of the besieged city of Misrata.

For the past two months, government forces and insurgents have been battling over the city of Misrata. The city is still targeted by bombs, and insecurity prevents the people from seeking out and receiving medical care. There are not enough specialist health professionals, not enough safe facilities where pregnant women can give birth, and not enough hospital beds for the injured. The MSF team of 22 staff is providing medical and surgical treatment to the wounded in two hospitals (Abbad and Kasr Ahmed) and in the Ras Thuba clinic.

Access to medical care has become more restricted because a large number of medical facilities have been destroyed or are located too close to the front lines. In the few medical structures that are still running, there are not enough health staff such as orthopaedic surgeons, to provide post-operative care.

“The Libyan medical staff who have been working around the clock for the past seven weeks are exhausted,” explained Mego Terzian, head of emergency operations for MSF. “Moreover, the few medical structures that are still operational have no nurses, because most of them were foreigners who have now left the hospitals.”

http://www.msf.ie/news/libya-providing-medical-and-surgical-treatment-wounded-misrata
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:21 AM
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39. UNHCR: Witnesses say ship with 600 sunk near Libya
(AP) – 1 hour ago

MILAN (AP) — A ship carrying up to 600 migrants trying to flee Libya has sunk off the coast of the North African country, the U.N. Refugee Agency said Monday, citing witness accounts.

The agency is trying to confirm what happened to the passengers when the vessel broke apart at sea Friday, spokeswoman Laura Boldrini said.

Witnesses who departed on another boat shortly after reported seeing the ship broken apart and bodies floating in the sea, Boldrini said. That boat arrived later in Italy.

There was no information on how many people might have died, and the uprising in Libya makes any official accounting unlikely.

At least three other boats that departed Libya in late March have disappeared, Boldrini said, bringing to 800 the number of people believed to have perished at sea trying to reach European shores.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iHiFZ-kQ3VEffvCuPB7EIk0bnoOw?docId=d73f403483a6434d8cde95640b8916b4






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:30 AM
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41. Rebels cling to high ground in Libya's west
Source: Reuters



09 May 2011 10:40


* Fight intensifies for Libya's Western Mountains

* Rebels hold key border point, loyalists in desert plains

* Indiscriminate shelling by forces loyal to Gaddafi


By Matt Robinson

DEHIBA, Tunisia, May 9 (Reuters) - The flow of rebels to the small clinic in this Tunisian frontier town speaks of an escalating war for Libya's Western Mountains.

Most had been shot in close-quarter fighting to hold back loyalists east of the rebel-held town of Zintan.

Eleven died trying on Saturday alone, their names displayed at a refugee camp housing their families.

"They are heroes, they are Mujahideen," said Jamal Maghroub, whose nephew was among those killed. His weathered face and lean frame in military fatigues gave him the look of a man far older than his 47 years.

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http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/rebels-cling-to-high-ground-in-libyas-west









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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:45 AM
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42. 'Arab Spring' has yet to alter region's strategic balance
Edited on Mon May-09-11 09:46 AM by Iterate
'Arab Spring' has yet to alter region's strategic balance
Paul Salem, director of the Carnegie Middle East Center, in the Los Angeles Times, Babylon & Babylon & Beyond

May 9, 2011 | 7:17 am

Despite their sweeping repercussions for both domestic and international players, the Arab uprisings have not led to a dramatically new regional order or a new balance of power. This could change, particularly if developments in Syria continue to escalate.

While Iran has welcomed uprisings against Western-backed regimes in Egypt and Tunisia, it dealt harshly with its own protesters and has been worried about recent events in Syria. Moreover, countries that threw out pro-Western dictators are not moving closer to Iran.

Egypt's and Tunisia’s future foreign policies are more likely to resemble Turkey's in becoming more independent while remaining allied with the West. And Iran's soft power has decreased as its regime looks increasingly repressive and new models of revolutionary success have emerged in Tunisia, Egypt, and other parts of the Arab world.

Turkey, for its part, bungled the opportunity to take advantage of this historic shift to bolster its influence in the Arab world. The Arab uprisings are effectively calling for the Arab world to be more like Turkey: democratic, with a vibrant civil society, political pluralism, secularism alongside Islam, and a productive and fairly balanced economy. However, after expressing clear support for Egyptian protesters, Turkey has hedged its bets in Libya and Syria.

complete...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2011/05/middle-east-arab-spring-has-yet-to-alter-regions-strategic-balance-.html

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:52 AM
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43. Italy rescues 500 Libya refugees in 'miracle' operation


by Dario Thuburn – Sun May 8, 3:23 pm ET


ROME (AFP) – Italian coast guards and local fisherman saved all 528 refugees on a boat from Libya early Sunday after their vessel hit rocks off the island of Lampedusa, an operation one rescuer described as a "miracle".

Refugees threw themselves into the water in the night, with some clinging to ropes strung between the rusty fishing boat and the shoreline by rescuers, as officers and local residents dived in to help along the rocky coast.

"There were about 500 people on board. It was a difficult situation. Our patrol boats couldn't come close because of the shallow water and the undertow was very strong," said Antonio Morana, a coast guard spokesman.

Coast guards later said 528 had been on board, including 24 pregnant women.

...


"The bombs forced us to flee. Right now the situation in Libya doesn't leave us any choice," a Pakistani refugee was quoted by ANSA news agency as saying.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110508/wl_africa_afp/libyaconflictitalyimmigrationrefugeeaccident








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:39 AM
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44. Norway to scale back NATO airstrike role
Norway will cut back its involvement in NATO-orchestrated air strikes against Libya next month when its three-month commitment ends, Norwegisan Defence Minister Grete Faremo said Sunday, according to the Reuters news agency.

Norway was one of the first European states to be willing to implement a no-fly zone over the African country per UN resolution 1973, aimed at protecting Libyan refugees from the country's bloody uprising against leader Muammar Gaddafi. The scandinavian country currently has six F-16 fighter jets flying missions over Libya.

4:43pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog






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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:37 AM
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49. Makes sense. Mission accomplished.
There to create a no-fly zone, and I think Qaddafi has no planes flying in the zone. Done deal.

We should be so smart as to have a specific and limited goal.

Instead of a quagmire.

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:12 PM
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54. That's not how they see it.
‘Norway bombing the most’
April 20, 2011

Norwegian fighter jets reportedly have bombed at least 130 targets in Libya since the UN-backed military intervention began last month, meaning that Norwegian pilots are among those carrying out the most bombing raids over Libya. Norwegian officials, meanwhile, have held talks with representatives of the Libyan opposition fighting the country’s longtime leader Moammar Gadhafi.

Newspaper Aftenposten reported Wednesday that Norwegian pilots of the country’s F16 fighter jets have fired at least 12 percent of NATO’s bombs against Gadhafi’s forces. Around 130 laser-guided bombs of 250, 1000 and 2000 kilos have been dropped against military goals since the first rounds of bombing in late March.

“Norway is contributing in a class of its own, in relation to its size, along with Denmark,” Ståle Ulriksen of Norwegian foreign policy institute NUPI in Oslo. “Norway makes up an eighth of the entire operative force.”

The Norwegian forces are so effective and in such demand, according to Aftenposten, that they’re carrying out assignments 20 hours a day. “The Norwegian and Danish jets are being put forward as the best in the class,” said Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre.


...
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2011/04/20/norway-bombing-the-most/


In other words, it's a small force doing more than their share of the heavy lifting. It's expensive for them as well, especially in relation to their resources. Norway's population is less than Libya. Beyond that, it is one part of a three party coalition that is balking at continuing the same level of activity, not necessarily an ending of the mission itself.

Controversy over Libyan mission
Sunday, 08 May 2011 06:57

There is a split in the coalition government over Norway's engagement in Libya. Socialist Left (SV) leader Kristin Halvorsen wants to pull out Norway's fighter bombers in six weeks, but Labour and Agrarians disagree.

At its meeting on Saturday the SV national party board decided the participation of Norwegian military aircraft in NATO-led missions over Libya should not exceed the initial three-month period.

However, according to Aftenposten, the SV leader does not have the support of coalition partners Labour (AP) and the Agrarian Party (SP), when she wants to withdraw the Norwegian fighter bombers in just six weeks.

The newspaper quotes Ap sources as saying that this issue has not been clarified in the party.

...
http://www.norwaypost.no/news/controversy-over-libyan-mission-25167.html


Norway was also among the first to give emergency aid (an amount nearly equal to it's military expenditures) and send in teams of doctors.
It has been very clear that Norway does not see its role as merely the establishment of the NFZ. There is this statement from Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg on March 20th:

At the summit, Støre said that Norway strongly supports the historic resolution adopted by the Security Council two days ago. For the first time, the Security Council invokes the principle of Responsibility to Protect as the primary reason for authorizing the use of force against a Member State.

As a firm believer in this novel principle, and in the importance of an UN-led world order, Norway stands ready to contribute to its full implementation, through political, military and humanitarian means, the Prime Minister said.


"In addition to military contributions, Norway stands ready to help develop a broad and effective response, including economic sanctions, international legal action, and a well coordinated humanitarian assistance", Prime Minister Stoltenberg said in Paris.

(NRK/Press release)

http://www.norwaypost.no/news/norway-offers-f-16-jet-fighters-to-libya-mission-24911.html


Even in mentioning the future scale-back in fighter operations today, cabinet ministers were clear about the length of term for their commitment.

Source: Deutsche Presse-Agentur

Oslo - Norway has not set a time limit for its involvement in the ongoing no-fly zone operation over Libya but the current deployment will be scaled back, two cabinet members told parliament Monday.

...

The situation on the ground in Libya will determine the contribution,' Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store said, adding that Oslo was also engaged in diplomatic efforts to bring about change in Libya.

He noted that the United Nations Security Council resolution that approved the no-fly zone and protection of civilians in Libya did not have a time limit.

Store and Faremo said the envisaged 'smaller' contribution should be seen against the backdrop of Norway's current sizeable deployment considering that the Scandinavian country was relatively small.

...
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/europe/news/article_1637957.php/Norway-to-scale-back-contribution-to-Libya-no-fly-zone-operation


Nowhere in these Norwegian press accounts do I see the words "Mission Accomplished", "Done deal", or "quagmire". I suspect that's an American perspective applied to a foreign government, something which usually doesn't work very well.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:27 PM
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56. Very good compilation. Appreciated.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:55 AM
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45. Libyan rebels reclaim legacy of Italian-era warrior

SULUQ, Libya (Reuters) -

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Nearly a century after Italian colonial rulers executed Mukhtar, the "Lion of the Desert" is now back as a spiritual father figure and icon for Libya's ragtag rebel movement.


Mukhtar's solemn figure clad in white robes gazes down from billboards, posters and bumper stickers throughout Libya's rebel-held east, from the insurgent stronghold Benghazi to the forgotten town of Suluq, where the Italians hanged him in 1931.


"Omar Mukhtar fought to free Libya from the Italians and the rebels are doing the same thing now, fighting to free Libya from Gaddafi," said Suluq merchant Tahar Ibrahim Absallah, whose grandfather Absalam Ali fought alongside Mukhtar.

...


"If he were alive today, Omar Mukhtar would be with the rebels," said Mustafa Mohammed, a Suluq shopkeeper. "And that's because he fought for freedom."

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http://www.whnt.com/sns-rt-international-us-litre7483g3-20110509,0,7906858,full.story








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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:06 AM
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46. Libya Misurata Free website
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:13 AM
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47. K/R -- Libya Hurra -- !!
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:22 AM
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48. Libyan delegates back rebel council
Libyan delegates back rebel council
Representatives from 25 Libyan towns meet for the first time in Abu Dhabi in a show of unity.
Last Modified: 09 May 2011 14:59

Representatives from 25 Libyan local councils have met for the first time in Abu Dhabi, expressing support for the uprising against longtime leader Muammar Gaddafi.

This is first time that leaders from councils and tribes in south and west Libya, away from the heartland of the rebellion in the east, have been able to meet. A representative from Sirte, Gaddafi's hometown, was among the more than 20 delegates in attendance on Monday.

The conference called for international recognition of the National Transitional Council (NTC) and for providing the rebels with advanced weaponry, they say, is needed to defeat Gaddafi's better-armed troops.

Representatives from smaller, beleaguered western cities such as Zwara used the meeting as a platform to publicise their sufferings, which have received less attention than Benghazi and Misurata, a western city and Libya's third-largest that has been besieged by Gaddafi's forces for months.

more...

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/05/201159105950729624.html
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:40 PM
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51. Ahmed Gaddaf-El-Dam (Gaddafi) arrested in Egypt, assets frozen
ChangeInLibya: Egypt BREAKING: Ahmed Gaddaf-El-Dam (Gaddafi) has been put under house arrest and had his assets frozen #libya #feb17 via Brnieq
about 2 hours ago via web

Included in a Reuters report:

WRAPUP 2-NATO planes pound Libyan government weapons depot

"In another boost, Egyptian authorities put Gaddafi's cousin Ahmed Gaddaf al-Dam under house arrest in the city of Nasr and planned to seize his funds and property and deport him to Benghazi, according to the rebel Brnieq website, which cited a reliable source. "

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE74814X20110509?sp=true

Remember that he's the brother leader cousin and was in Egypt trying to sell off Libyan national assets for cash.



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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 01:47 PM
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52. Reporter’s Notebook: Here They Stood, Until They Ran
May 9, 2011, 12:01 pm
Reporter’s Notebook: Here They Stood, Until They Ran
By C.J. CHIVERS

MISURATA, Libya — The family photo albums, abandoned on the sand, lay open and fluttering in the desert wind. Around them were the personal items with which they had been packed: heaps of clothing, sandals, DVDs, combs, bottles of perfume, cooking utensils, razors, toothbrushes, several teapots, bundled blankets and a few biscuits, broken and dry. Every several yards a dropped suitcase rested on the dirt, looted bare.

War can strip those caught in its path to almost nothing, which is what happened to the people who had gathered here last Wednesday. They were African migrants caught in the conflict in Libya. They had long ago winnowed their meager possessions down, first to leave their small flats to move into tents, then to leave the tents to stand in line with a suitcase or two at this plot of bare desert, where they were told to wait for a ride to a ship. Here they stood until they ran. They dashed away so quickly and with such panic that they left behind the last things to which they had clung.

Like more than 10,000 other migrant workers in Misurata, they had been idled from work by the outbreak of war, and then cut off from routes overland toward home when the military of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi put this city under siege. They had waited two months for an evacuation vessel to arrive in the city’s harbor and carry them out.

A story published Friday in The New York Times described some of the awful events that afternoon as many migrants, just before they were to leave on the ship, came under Grad rocket fire from the Qaddafi forces. Several of those rockets struck in and around a camp set up for the workers by the Libyan Red Crescent and other aid groups.

more...

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/09/reporters-notebook-here-they-stood-until-they-ran/?smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto



And don't miss these photographs from Bryan Denton:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/05/05/world/africa/20110506_MISURATA_GOBIG.html#1
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:39 PM
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53. After watching the ship go down other refugees did not want to board a second ship, but Libyan
authorities forced them on the boat.

UN Dispatch: Boat With 600 Migrants Sinks Off Libyan Coast

http://www.undispatch.com/boat-with-600-migrants-sinks-off-libyan-coast


There are reports coming in from various UN sources that a boat carrying up to 600 people fleeing the violence in Libya was torn to pieces off the Libyan coast on Friday. The UN Refugee Agency and the International Organization for Migration are both relaying accounts from refugees on a separate boat who witnessed the disaster.

After watching the ship go down other refugees did not want to board a second ship, but Libyan authorities forced them on the boat. I just received this note from the International Organization for Migration.


Migrants also told IOM that after seeing what had happened to the first boat, many of them who had been waiting on land changed their mind about making the sea journey to Italy. However, they claim that Libyan soldiers and officials forced them onto a waiting boat by firing their guns indirectly.

Although this is the first time that IOM has been told of migrants being forced by Libyan officials to get on a boat, many have told IOM that they did not have to pay for their passage to Lampedusa while others say they have paid a nominal fee. However, they say that they been stripped by officials and soldiers of their savings and possessions, including mobile phones.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:24 PM
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55. A new Arab generation finds its voice
Edited on Mon May-09-11 03:26 PM by tabatha
Escalating violence has tempered the regional euphoria that followed the youth-led revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt. And yet, young people will continue to play an important role in the Arab Spring. This month, The New York Times interviewed more than two dozen of them, from Morocco to the West Bank, to find out how they consider their moment in history and their generation's prospects for the future.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/20/world/middleeast/middle-east-voices.html#0
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:28 PM
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57. Mhalwes Tweets


Tripoli: Unfolding: Reports that some Gaddafi checkpoints were set on fire and freedom flags were lifted on some buildings

TRIPOLI BREAKING: Reuters: Anti-regime movements in Tripoli's suburbs


If Tripoli rose up, things would collapse very quickly for Gaddafi. He would be forced to pull back from the mountains and Misurata to protect his home turf.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:34 PM
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60. Gerhard Heinz - latest
about brega
it is possible that one of daffis sons have the comand.
their last ride out of brega was with bmp they want to come out and turn then to south to escape ,becouse no way back to sirte.
the remaining troops in ras lanuf and west brega are not realy strong but if daffis son is there it gives a nice chance to catch him.

misrata
the pocket of daffis troops are a question of time ,there are some nice things going on for ff in the western parts of misrata.

western mountains
to clean the area will take a little time but no chance for daffi (dont fight with the berbs)
food for this towns is ready for air suply now .just waiting that dropzones are clear

tripoli
it will be a hot night today there with a lot of ff flags in the morning

sun goes down and a hot night start in libya
daffis troops are on the retreat and silver birds will speed it up tonight with some spezial things.
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:39 PM
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62. Don't understand Brega update
Rebels are attacking in that direction now. What does he mean "no way back to Sirte"? Have the rebels cut them off? If so, they are finished. There is nothing South for hundreds of miles, and moving across the open desert, even in the dark, is almost impossible with NATO.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:48 PM
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64. I don't either.
Just looked at a map. The turning south could happen at Brega or just before Sirte.
As you say, it is just open desert.
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:54 PM
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66. You would think they would choose surrender over the desert
Escaping South is not really an option. If NATO took out their vehicles, most of the soldiers would die in the desert. If the Rebels have cut off the retreat to Sirte, that would be tremendous news, but you think that Gaddafi's troops would attack out to the West rather than get pinned down in Brega.

There is another tweet on ShababLibya that says NATO has asked the rebels to retreat back to Ajdabiya in advance of a significant NATO attack on Brega. For the last few days many of the twitter world and educated journalists have predicted a collapse of the Gaddafi front in Brega. It may be happening.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:30 PM
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58. Libyan rebel commander descibes major battle near Ajdabiya
9:36pm
In a live interview with Al Jazeera, a Libyan rebel commander claims rebels have killed 57 pro-Gaddafi soldiers and destroyed 13 military vehicles during a major battle in Ajdabiya, a city in west Libya.

Hamed al-hafi said fighting happened on the periphery of a small outpost half way between Ajdabiya and the strategic oil port of Brega, where Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's forces control.

Over the past 20 days, we had reorganised our forces. The real clash happened two hours ago, on the outskirts al-Arbaeen<, the outpost>.

Al-Hafi said two rebels were killed in the fight, during which Moatassem, one of Gaddafi's sons, was leading the government forces in Brega. His claims could not be independently verified.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog

Libyan rebels claim kill 57 Gaddafi soldiers - report

CAIRO | Mon May 9, 2011 8:34pm BST

(Reuters) - Libyan rebels killed 57 soldiers and destroyed 17 military vehicles during a major battle west of the insurgent-held city of Ajdabiya Monday, a rebel military commander said.

The commander, whose claim could not immediately be verified, also said two rebels were killed in the firefight.

Hamed al-Hafi told Al-Jazeera television in a live interview that the fighting took place on the outskirts of al-Arbaeen, a small outpost halfway between Ajdabiya and the strategic oil port of Brega, where Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's forces are entrenched.

"Over the past 20 days, we had reorganised our forces. The real clash happened two hours ago, on the outskirts al-Arbaeen," Hafi said.

more...
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/05/09/uk-libya-arbaeen-idUKTRE7485PE20110509

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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:34 PM
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61. AFP: Rebels drive Gaddafi forces back from Misrata
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:47 PM
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63. Uprising against Gaddafi in Tripoli suburbs -paper
Edited on Mon May-09-11 03:54 PM by Iterate
Uprising against Gaddafi in Tripoli suburbs -paper
Mon May 9, 2011 8:20pm GMT

TUNIS May 9 (Reuters) - Libyan rebels are leading an uprising in the suburbs of Tripoli after being supplied with light weapons by defecting security service officers, an opposition newspaper said on Monday.

The report, on the website of the opposition newspaper Brnieq, could not be independently verified.

The story quoted witnesses who said a full-scale uprising against the rule of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was taking place in the suburbs of Tripoli. It said protesters were preparing to head towards the city centre. (Reporting by Joseph Nasr in Berlin: Writing by Sylvia Westall in Tunis; editing by Andrew Dobbie)

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAF7LDE74828K20110509



I'm posting this because Reuters did. The headline seems an exaggeration. What we do have from other sources is this:

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Tripoli: Demos in #Tripoli, particularly in #Tajoura. unit of security forces joined the revolutionaries. #Libya via @rhijazi #feb17
vor 5 Minuten

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
TRIPOLI BREAKING: ALJAZEERA: Revolutionaries lift the freedom flag on Mitiga air base to the east of Tripoli #libya #feb17
vor 1 Minute

alihashem_AJA Ali Hashem
von ChangeInLibya
During the past days activists in Tripoli were able to make several flag drops, the last in March 2 district. #libya #feb17
vor 19 Minuten




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:51 PM
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65. That meshes with Gerhard Heinz is saying.
Would it not be nice if this was all over in a week.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:00 PM
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67. I edited to reflect what tweets there were at that moment.
I'm skeptical that it's very large in scale at this point. Gaddafi never did have control of Tajoura. Intimidation, yes, but not control.

Stalemate anyone? We should have taken names.
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:11 PM
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68. If this is really happening in Tripoli
If Gaddafi is losing the suburbs, Tajoura, and the airport, and there are additional defections of military units, we are witnessing the end game. I suspect that Gaddafi's Plan B (or C) was always to pull back and create a perimeter around Tripoli, and hold the citizens of Tripoli hostage. If his security in Tripoli has deteriorated to the point that these kind of reports are true, he is finished. A plane to Caracas is probably the smartest move at this point.

We will know in a few hours if any of this is true, because these are pretty important developments.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:19 PM
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70. k&r
things fall apart
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Yosarian71 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:18 PM
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69. Funny twitter account
Gallows humor, but very clever:

http://twitter.com/#!/LibyanStateTV

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:37 PM
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74. Some of that could be verbatim Libya State TV
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:26 PM
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71. Tripoli Calling
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:31 PM
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72. Audioboo: Nalut: "The occasional Boom! Boom! Boom!" as Gaddafi forces fire from Alghazaia
from feb17voices

LPC #Nalut: "The occasional Boom! Boom! Boom!" as Gaddafi forces fire from Alghazaia #Libya #feb17
about 5 hours ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/352333-lpc-nalut-the-occasional-boom-boom-boom-as-gaddafi-forces-fire-from-alghazaia-libya-feb17
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:33 PM
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73. Miserata witness to music
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:39 PM
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75. Hands Off Libya. No to Imperialism/Militarism.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:53 PM
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78. Agreed.
Hands off Libya, Gaddafi, do not use military forces against innocent civilians.

Libya for Libyans. No imperialistic bastards in any shape or form.
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UnseenUndergrad Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:33 PM
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82. With the way things are going, the West won;t have to
State apparatus in Tripoli in Open revolt, Tripoli Bob has defected, rebel flag over the military airport, reports of the Brega Line breaking apart... it this keeps up, it'll be over by June.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:48 PM
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84. "won;t have to"?? already has
talk to y'all in a few days
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:58 PM
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86. People power
Edited on Mon May-09-11 05:59 PM by tabatha
• My source says Libya must be the only country where people are ecstatic to hear the bombs and everyone rushes to the balconies and tops of their houses to see the smoke.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1067350&mesg_id=1071639

I think the Libyans should decide what is "imperialism" and what is not. It is their country.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:43 PM
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76. Holy cow. Tripoli Bob has left.
Edited on Mon May-09-11 04:46 PM by tabatha
jeejia‎ RT @ShababLibya: Latest Development: #Gaddafi's spokesperson and representative of the Foreign Ministry, #MusaIbrahim has left the regime. #libya #feb17
Twitter - 40 seconds ago

Something is going on tonite:

QuilliamF‎ Reports of of army at #Mitiga airport in Tripoli suburbs declaring for rebels. Major news if true. #Libya #feb17
Twitter - 18 seconds ago

rifi01‎ RT @RRowleyTucson: #Benghazi: Huge numbers of protesters gather as they chant for #Tripoli #Libya #feb17
Twitter - 17 seconds ago

Thanku4theAnger‎ Nafousa:Mashaysha area: 25 G forces killed, capture of one Colonel, 7 martyrs #libya #feb17
Twitter - seconds ago

Kempo50‎ RT @feb17voices: LPC #Tajoura: More and more people are coming out of their houses to join the crowds on the Beach Road #libya #feb17
Twitter - 1 minute ago

Simsima9999‎ RT @Thanku4theAnger: Benghazi speaker on AlJazeera : Tripoli has gone out in 17 areas #Feb17 #libya
Twitter - 2 minutes ago

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:49 PM
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77. BREAKING:
Edited on Mon May-09-11 04:56 PM by tabatha
The Central Security forces have joined the anti Gaddafi revolutionary forces a short while ago today distributing to them a significant source of weapons they never had before. This is a most critical development in this key city of Libya where the final episode of the Libyan revolution against Gaddafi will pan out. Additionally the 3 coloured independence flag is now flying over Maeetega military airport just on the outskirts of Tripoli.

http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/carolv27/~MK3cv

theonlyadult‎ RT @FreeBenghazi: BREAKING NEWS!!! Aljazeera Arabic is reporting that the flag of independence has been raised at Mitaga airport in Tripoli. #Libya #Feb17
Twitter - seconds ago

fdescds92‎ RT @ShababLibya: Revolutionaries lift the freedom flag on Mitiga air base to the east of Tripoli AJA #Libya #Feb17 #gaddaficrimes
Twitter - seconds ago

troutish‎ RT @feb17voices: LPC #Tajoura: People saw the independence flag above the Mitiga Air Force Base & are now on the Beach Road demonstrating #feb17 #libya
Twitter - seconds ago

jjiaamud‎ RT @Thanku4theAnger: Fateh University closed today as independence flags all over the University campus In Tripoli #Feb17 #Libya #Tripoli
Twitter - 55 seconds ago
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:58 PM
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79. Tripoli - Tajoura tweets
No other confirmation yet, but tweets aplenty, too many to ignore or wait.

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Tripoli: "CONFIRMED that #Mohamed Elmgariaf Brigade in Tripoli has joined the revolution" via @LibyaSteadfast #Libya #feb17
vor 44 Minuten

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Benghazi: Tens of thousands of people are converging on the Freedom Square (Court) in support of Tripoli, Ajdabiya, Zintan & Misrata #libya
vor 1 Stunde

libyanproud libyanandproud
von ChangeInLibya
@ChangeInLibya btw , the report says "a battalion (120+- persons) of the mhimid mgaryif brigade" has defected.
vor 41 Minuten

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Tripoli: Uncomfirmed reports that the Freedom Fighters of #Tajura in #Tripoli have freed political prisoners there. #libya #feb17
vor 32 Minuten

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
@
@acarvin Indeed seems to be spreading slowly throughout Tajoura (Mitiga is the big airport to the East of TIP, Tajoura is south of it)
vor 16 Minuten

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
@
@libyanmaddog Apparently it's quiet now in soug al jumma but other areas like fashloom and tajoura especially are out
vor 10 Minuten

acarvin Andy Carvin
First reports from Mitiga air base, now protests in Tajoura... What's going on here? Any more details? #libya
vor 22 Minuten
Feb 17 voices
feb17voices Feb 17 voices

von acarvin
LPC #Tajoura: More and more people are coming out of their houses to join the crowds on the Beach Road #libya #feb17
vor 27 Minuten
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:11 PM
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80. Reuters reporter -no gunfire (2 hrs. ago)
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAF7LDE74828K20110509

A Reuters reporter about three kilometres (two miles) from the general area said he could hear no gunfire. It was not possible to obtain independent verification of the report
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:15 PM
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81. K & R n/t
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:43 PM
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83. Tripoli update
Edited on Mon May-09-11 05:46 PM by Iterate
http://twitdoc.com/7E8

or

http://twitdoc.com/view.asp?id=9584&sid=7E8&ext=DOCX&lcl=Tripoli-Update-9-5-2011.docx&usr=Thanku4theAnger&doc=55049445&key=key-1koxrliz8ahru6n5nai

haven't converted it yet to plaintext, but it's full of detail about the general situation.

That came from

http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb

and

Thanku4theAnger THANKU4THEANGER
Comprehensive update of situation in Tripoli before tonight with exclusive/sensitive military information #Feb17 http://twitdoc.com/7E8
vor 14 Minuten
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:50 PM
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85. Tripoli Update text
Edited on Mon May-09-11 05:50 PM by Iterate
Tripoli Update
Source: Reliable Tripoli residents who managed to leave Tripoli this past weekend 7-8 May 2011
Security/Military situation
• All entries & exits to Tripoli are controlled by checkpoints. Before 3pm checks are selective. After 6pm all vehicles are checked without exception.
• The distance is about 160 km between Tripoli and the border. There are now exactly 34 checkpoints between Tripoli and Tunisia border including a number of electronic checkpoints dedicated to checking laptops, cameras and mobile phones.
• All telephones are monitored. Even boasted by the TV presenter who calls himself Dr. Hamza. The monitoring of calls is particularly obvious when making international calls
• No tanks on main streets but almost every intersection you will see one or two General Security (Amn Aam امن عام) standing with their AK47s
• Mercenaries not seen on Tripoli’s streets since the first days of the revolution
• Surrounding Tripoli there are military check points (different from the checkpoints inside the city). These check points have female in military fatigues to check women and children.
• These military check point search every single car and have tanks, anti aircraft mounted on trucks, AK47s and machine guns. Tanks are hidden under trees and covered in blue or green coloured tarp(plastic sheets)
• 4 main military check points in Tripoli
- Airport road ((طريق المطار
- Alhadba Alkhadra road near Salah Aldeen Hospital (عند مستشفى صلاح الدين فى الهضبة الخضراء)
- 27 km West of Tripoli (Jidayam) جدايم
- 32km East of Tripoli (End of the highway after Tajura)( اخر الطريق السريع )

• The infamous Khamis brigade is mainly located in Tripoli. It is estimated to be 30,000 strong before the revolution. In total there are thought to be 18 Gaddafi military units in Libya at around 4,000 strong each (Total 72,000) excluding the Khamis brigade which is the only one which has Naval and Air force units. Some of the Khamis brigade have been used in the attacks on Misurata. Khamis himself is alive and based in Zletin running the Western front operation. Whilst Muattasim is based in Sirte running the Eastern front operation.

• The Khamis brigade specifically (which is properly known as the 32 brigade اللواء32 المدعم ) is located in 4 main locations in Tripoli
- At the kilometre 27 West of Tripoli
- At the kilometer 27 East of Tripoli (in front of the Heart hospital ( امام مستشفى القلب
- Khlilet Alfurjan خلة الفرجان
- Kasr Bin Ghasheer قصر بن غشير

• It has been confirmed by a Brigadier in the Libyan Air force that Algeria supplied Gaddafi with 6 jet fighters and 3 military transport planes. This occurred between 17-19 February. Also the Syrian pilots captured where in Libya training Libyan pilots and then took part in the air operations.

• It is commonly believed in Tripoli that a massacre has taken place in the Police College in Salah Aldeen area where student from the East of Libya in particular were executed en masse.

• Eyewitnesses confirm in the neighbourhood of Bab AlAzizia that 2 huge fire fights occurred in the compound. One occurred after the Libyan Jet fighter pilot plunged into the compound. The jet fighter plunging was witnessed by people living in the buildings near the compound. It is thought it was possibly Saif AlArab that was killed in this attack. But this is speculation.

• The house in the area of Gharghur which Saif AlArab is claimed t0 have died in used to be Muammar’s wife’s house, then most recently became Hannibal’s.

• Sources confirm that at the start of the revolution a large number of neighbourhoods had demonstrations including Tajura, Soug Aljuma, Fashloum, Alsiyahya, Gurjy amongst others. The protesters reached Green square. However after 3 days, the resistance became restricted to nightly raids on check points due to the shoot on sight policy of Gaddafi forces.

• No one in Tripoli is sure which of Gaddafi’s grandchildren if any died, if any actually did.

• It is believed in Tripoli by many that mass rape in cities in West of Libya have reached extreme levels. In the most extreme case between 40% to 60% of adult female population of some towns has been raped.

• Conscription has been introduced for 20 to 40 year olds (thosse born between 1971 and 1991)

• The mood according to the top military brass is one of resignation that Gaddafi will eventually go. Hence, many in the top brass are doing the minimum required.
Daily Life
• It can take up to 4 days to fill a car due to petrol shortage. Of the working petrol station queues are 3 to 5 miles long. Not all petrol stations are working.
• Prices have tripled for all food commodities. For example, 1kg of sugar used to cost 50pence, now it costs 1.25 dinars, cost of ¾ litre of sunflower oil was 2.75 dinars two months ago and is now 7.5 dinars
• Electricity and water are working fine. However, everyone is buying small generators as they expect power to get cut at some point. Tripoli’s electricity is run by gas powered turbines. The Gas is sourced from Wafa gas field 60 km south of Ghadamis and pipelines run from the Wafa gas field to the Melita complex(which lies between Zuwara & Sabratha). The key worry is that at some point there will be a lack of technicians to run the city’s utilities.
• Normal traffic &movement in the City occurs from 11am to 3pm. After 3pm very few cars are on the roads.
• 60% of banks are closed. Only 10% of bank staff go to work. Mainly managers and deputy manager who don’t wish to lose their jobs or are forced to attend.
• Banks have a severe shortage of Libyan currency. Libyans are only allowed to withdraw 500 dinars a month regardless of how much money lies in their account. It has reached the point where the old 10 large dinar notes have been re-introduced into circulation
• All Public & Private sector employees don’t wish to go got work and do the minimum possible. Utility companies are the only companies with around 50% attendance or less.
• All Oil sector related companies have closed and Libyan employees of foreign oil companies have been laid off.

TV

• The popular channels in Tripoli are Aljazeera, Alarabiya, France 24, Alhurra. At the start people watched Russia Today but then people quickly turned off it.
• People only really watch Gaddafi TV after NATO strikes as they are usually the first TV channel to report the location of the bombings.
• My source says Libya must be the only country where people are ecstatic to hear the bombs and everyone rushes to the balconies and tops of their houses to see the smoke.
• Apparently everyone in Tripoli wants to kill Hala Almisrati, Shakeer, Gadr Bu and Dr Hamza the Gaddafi TV presenters. They have become hate figures in the city.
• Due to presence of Satellite channels no is falling for Gaddafi TV lies.
Education
• School exams that normally would have finished by now are set for last week of May. This is in order to force students to go to school to fake a sense of normalcy in the city and to students to participate in Gaddafi rallies as witnessed often on Libyan TV
• All High School student (thanawy) have been required to provide their finger print on documents stating they want Gaddafi as leader and Saif Al islam his son as president of the country
• Majority of teachers and students do not attend school using the excuse of petrol shortages
• Majority of University Students do not attend and have not registered for subjects because there have been no lectures since the start of the revolution. Despite this exams have been set.
Travelling
• Prime Minister Mohamed AlZwai issued a decree that no Libyan is allowed to leave the country without prior authorisation from the relevant ministry particularly Managing directors and their deputies. For example, a tourism company employee requires a permit from the tourism ministry and so on.

Hospitals

• The Green hospital in Alhadba المستشفى الخضراء has a heavy military presence. It is believed to be where Gaddafi forces casualties are treated. The Hospital in Zawiya street مستشفى شارع الزاوية أو كما يسمى المركزى القديم is where the injured protesters were taken and where they were kidnapped them.
• Gaddafi soldiers check the hospitals daily to kidnap any injured protesters
• Injured protesters do not go to hospital anymore, they would rather die at home than at Gaddafi’s hand
• Rumours say that Uqba hospital was where dead protesters bodies were stored to be place in the locations of NATO bomb sites after the bombing


Psychology
• There is a sense of fear mixed with hope that the NATO bombings will bring an end to Gaddafi regime. However, running in tandem with these feelings is a strong sense of defiance and determination to get rid of Gaddafi.
• Everyone supports the National Transitional Council. However, they believe more media attention should be given to Nafusa and other western cities such as Zuwara and Zawiya.
News from Zuwara , Zawiya, Sabratah and Gheryan
• Zuwara has becomea ghost towns. Men under 45 are either dead, escaped or detained.
• In Zuwara, Gaddafi forces steal property with abandon, for example, literally ripping jewellery off women.
• Zawiya has been almost completely destroyed. Gaddafi forces continue to raid houses on a daily basis. Getting raided once does not mean you won’t get raided again the next day. Gaddafi soldiers on rais often waste or destroy the food in the house so families can’t use them.
• However, despite this, both Zuwara and Zawiya are still resisting with raids on Gaddafi forces and checkpoints.
• Sabratha rose at the beginngin of the revolution however Gaddafi forces led by Alkhweldy Alhemedi and his son Khaled have prevented further protests.
• Gheryan also revolted in the first days of the revolution. Apparently Bu Zaid Aldurda was present in the city at the time and gave the city licence to protest as long as they did not attack the Sahban brigade. However, after a day and a half the brigade occupied the city.

from Thanku4theAnger THANKU4THEANGER
Comprehensive update of situation in Tripoli before tonight with exclusive/sensitive military information #Feb17 http://twitdoc.com/7E8
vor 18 Minuten

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:17 PM
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87. Al Jazeera blog comments
Edited on Mon May-09-11 06:19 PM by tabatha
Gerhard Heinz 1 hour ago
hello i am back again after a lot of work in the last hour

there are heavy clashes in 3 parts of tripoli tanks burning by use of anti tank ,cars burning ,more and more people on the streets and i think that they are not pro daffi .nervous movements from daffis troops in city -center-


AFreedom 3 hours ago
I am doing good I guess under the current circumstances. I am out of commission fighting wise still. This past week we had had lots of casualties on our FF side, hard to know what kind of casualties the Dictator army had.

What I can confirm is that we the FF control way larger areas in the Western Mountains then we did even 1 week ago! I can also confirm large scale looses when it comes to Dictator Arms Depots, tanks, rocket launchers etc... .

I am honest though when saying that I look forward to the day when it war will stop and we can all go back to our daily life routine, not worry about rockets shelling our towns and cities, snipers shoot at free will anyone they can shoot at etc... .

War might sound like a Romantic thing to do for someone that has not experienced it but once you go through the street by street and house by house fighting you realize that you can't wait for the madness to stop. Only ones that would like something like this are psychopaths!


Gerhard Heinz 51 minutes ago
more and more infos that comanders from army turn and seek kontakt with ff and nato even over radio,
ithink daffi have overplayed his pressure.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:29 PM
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88. Libyan Rebels Make Gains Around a City Under Siege
By C. J. CHIVERS
Published: May 9, 2011

QARYAT AZ ZURAYQ, Libya — Rebel fighters made significant gains Monday against forces loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi in both the western and eastern areas of the country, in the first faint signs that NATO airstrikes may be starting to strain the government forces.

In the besieged western city of Misurata hundreds of rebels broke through one of the front lines late on Sunday, and by Monday afternoon were consolidating their position on ground miles to the city’s west.

The breakout of what had been nearly static lines came after NATO aircraft spent days striking positions and military equipment held by the Qaddafi forces, weakening them to the point that a ground attack was possible, the rebels said.

While not in itself a decisive shift for a city that remained besieged, the swift advance, made with few rebel casualties, carried both signs of rebel optimism and hints of the weakness of at least one front-line loyalist unit.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/world/africa/10libya.html?_r=1
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:46 PM
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89. Yefren: Unconfirmed reports that the market area has been liberated, Gaddafi forces are out
ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
von Thanku4theAnger
Yefren Breaking: Unconfirmed reports that the market area has been liberated and Gaddafi forces are out of the city now! #libya #feb17
vor 4 Minuten

On that possibly positive note, I'll sign out.

except for this, from Chivers:
http://cjchivers.com/post/5342646726/more-on-the-type-84-landmines-in-misurata-port

and this:
@LibyanStateTV: We assure you, nothing is really going on. If it was, we'd be asking for a ceasefire
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 07:38 PM
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90. Libya: Part 2 - The Uprising
http://youtu.be/z41kQvx4uKw

Lupe Fiasco: "But when you show every picture of the innocent protesters they're holding what? AK-47s?

This compilation features 21 cities/towns/districts across Libya, highlighting what the people have been trying to do since day 1. This footage is from the early stages of the revolution.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:26 PM
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91. Thanks for that, excellent summary.
:hi:
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:45 PM
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93. Lupe got schooled on Twitter about that
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:42 PM
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94. Saw it in Part 1.
Edited on Mon May-09-11 09:59 PM by tabatha
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:32 PM
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92. Day 82 here:
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