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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:50 AM
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Pakistan sent F-16s to interdict Seal team 6.
"The Pakistani military scrambled F-16 fighters and sent forces to bin Laden's compound as soon as they were aware of the raid, said Gilani. Even though they were unable to interdict U.S. forces before they were on their way back to Afghanistan, he expressed confidence in their performance."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jy6asrfI5QPL-xYSm42w3jKNocBg?docId=6789512
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4844580

If we hadn't gotten out of there fast, it would have been a mess.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:53 AM
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1. I'll bet ya $1000 that the before the last chopper got back into the air, there was a phone call
from our military to theirs. Just a courtesy call, of course . . .
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 09:56 AM
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2. One would assume a few of our "better" versions of those planes were flying cover.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:00 AM
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3. that's just Pakistan doing CYA stuff
They cooperated with this raid, clearly.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:02 AM
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6. Why "clearly"? nt
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:46 AM
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24. helicopters vs F16s, 40 mins on the ground alone
next door to a miltary facility, Pak has nukes and could have struck back at the wrong country by accident (India), etc.

And now there is some confirmation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4845917
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 11:09 AM
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27. It appears you were right.
:thumbsup:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:01 AM
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4. I'm sure we knew the exact moment those planes lifted off the ground. n/t
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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:01 AM
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5. Who knows the accuracy of this article
Pakistan got caught having no idea what was going on. I'm sure they are fairly humiliated with their own. To save face they put this info out there.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:03 AM
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8. Agree. They were as surprised as Bin Laden. nt
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:26 AM
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15. Well I am sure satellites can pick up what went on when.
Their entire credibility is beig questioned. I don't see where it gets them to lie to our faces.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:37 AM
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16. They wouldn't be lying to our faces.

They would be lying to the faces of their own populace. If they are lying.


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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:44 AM
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17. I'm not sure whose consumption this was meant for.
It is an AP piece. It would be interesting to know what the report is based on.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:03 AM
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7. SEALs were on the ground for 40 minutes
Are we sure these were F-16s that got scrambled, not maybe Sopwith Camels, or weather balloons?

If they were F-16s, I'm sure their pilots would rather get lost, fly in the wrong direction, than face whatever U.S. air cover was in place protecting the helicopters. I'd bet the U.S. had a few fighters and AWACS in the air above ABBOTTville.

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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:56 AM
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18. Forty minutes is a looong time to be on the ground.
Are you sure they were or are you just repeating?

That is more then 12 mintutes a floor, if it did take them that long, why? From the picture of the compound it doesn't look that big to take that long. Plus they had time to find and remove a lot of data? If true. Doesn't sound like they had to hurry.
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 02:29 PM
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23. No, I have no idea how long they were on the ground
or even if they were there at all. I wasn't there.

I am just relying on what I heard from people like Sec of State, Sec of Defense, Prez, folks like that.

But no, I have no first hand knowledge and have no need-to-know.

I assume it took time to thoroughly search nooks, crannies, hidden niches in the walls, and get the computer hardware out in a non-destructive manner. And, if the news is to be believed, it took time to rig the disabled helicopter with explosives and probably remove some of the niftier electronic stuff from it before attempting to blow it up beyond the point where it could be easily reverse-engineered by Pakistan and Friends.

Even with no first or second or third-hand knowledge, I would ASSUME there were spare choppers, active AWACS, and many nastier aircraft like F-18, A-10, etc to cover the ground team activity and keep them from being surprised. Just a guess.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:06 AM
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9. It's for the cause: Uncle Sam's faves made big bucks off the deal.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:08 AM
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10. Sure they did
Pakistan does not want to seem incompetent.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:09 AM
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11. Seal team was on the ground 40 minutes and yet no police/militia/reg army
showed up the compound? 'West Point' was a ten minute walk away.
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:25 AM
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14. All military bases have a reaction force on call
I guess they were sent elsewhere or not mustered out at all. They Knew
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 11:02 AM
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26. Especially considering that their military academy was something like 100 meters away.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:11 AM
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12. An F-16 can't catch a helicopter? Sounds more like face-saving than
actual news.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:22 AM
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13. What? Are you saying we can't trust anything the Pakistani's say?
Edited on Mon May-09-11 10:36 AM by dkf
News to me.

:sarcasm:
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:54 AM
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25. It's probably the face-saving. But the fact the SEALs were in stealth helicopters might have also
had something to do with it.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:01 AM
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19. "...As soon as they were aware of the raid."
In other words, when we picked up the phone and called them. At roughly the time the SEALs helo left.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:40 AM
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20. My question is what would have happened if we weren't out of there fast enough because we were
Trying to bring Bin Laden in.

Then that type of operation just may have caused a failure.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:16 PM
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21. There's a reason why they stayed away for 40 minutes.
Wouldn't be at all shocked if a number of senior Pakistani military/ISI officers knew that UBL's days were numbered. They weren't told exactly when, but this outcome should not have been a complete surprise.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 12:19 PM
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22. I call Bullshit
So Pakistan wants me to believe that supersonic jet fighters were scrambled as soon as they were aware of the raid but they failed to be able chase down helicopters that are capable only of maybe a quarter of the F-16's speed?

Nah. Not buying.
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