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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:16 PM
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Statement from the newspaper that removed Hillary Clinton from the White House photo
Here is the statement from Der Tzitung:

Full statement by Der Tzitung.

The White House released a picture showing the President following “live” the events in the apprehension of Osama Bin Laden, last week Sunday. Also present in the Situation Room were various high-ranking government and military officials. Our photo editor realized the significance of this historic moment, and published the picture, but in his haste he did not read the "fine print" that accompanied the picture, forbidding any changes. We should not have published the altered picture, and we have conveyed our regrets and apologies to the White House and to the State Department.

The allegations that religious Jews denigrate women or do not respect women in public office, is a malicious slander and libel. The current Secretary of State, the Honorable Hillary R. Clinton, was a Senator representing New York State with great distinction 8 years. She won overwhelming majorities in the Orthodox Jewish communities in her initial campaign in '00, and when she was re-elected in '06, because the religious community appreciated her unique capabilities and compassion to all communities. The Jewish religion does not allow for discrimination based on gender, race, etc.

We respect all government officials. We even have special prayers for the welfare of our Government and the government leaders, and there is no mention of gender in such prayers.

All Government employees are sworn into office, promising adherence to the Constitution, and our Constitution attests to our greatness as a nation that is a light beacon to the entire world. The First Amendment to the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. (See below.) That has precedence even to our cherished freedom of the press! In accord with our religious beliefs, we do not publish photos of women, which in no way relegates them to a lower status. Publishing a newspaper is a big responsibility, and our policies are guided by a Rabbinical Board. Because of laws of modesty, we are not allowed to publish pictures of women, and we regret if this gives an impression of disparaging to women, which is certainly never our intention. We apologize if this was seen as offensive.

We are proud Americans of the Jewish faith, and there is no conflict in that, and we will with the help of the Almighty continue as law-abiding citizens, in this great country of our's, until the ultimate redemption.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/hillary-clinton-audrey-tomason-go-missing-in-situation-room-photo-in-der-tzitung-newspaper/2011/05/09/AFfJbVYG_blog.html

Apologies if this has already been posted.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:17 PM
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1. Um, he didn't read the "fine print"...what a lame-ass "apology.' nt
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:17 PM
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2. Smells like B
S
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:32 PM
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15. Yup and bullshit sure smells bad when one tracks it into the house with them
and this was definitely a track in.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:40 PM
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16. +1 on that. nt
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:18 PM
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3. It's not that they denigrate women. It's that they denigrate THEMSELVES...
... for their uncanny penchant for getting a boner every single time they see any woman, anywhere.


This photo makes Chasidic Jews horny.





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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:20 PM
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6. That's a man isn't it?
Pardon my ignorance - but what is that photo?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:24 PM
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7. Yeah, it's technically a man, but he's in drag.
That's Terry Jones as Mandy Cohen, the mother of Brian Cohen in Life of Brian.


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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:25 PM
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9. Gotcha - thanks!
Been a very very long time since I've seen that film.
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xfundy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:05 PM
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21. I usually refer to them as "Acidic" Jews
So uptight, so self-righteous! I used to see their children walking home from school (I guessed)--dressed in heavy black suits on a very hot day. Men walking around with those little curlie-Qs sticking out from under their top hats, serious expressions, humorless; I bet they wear hairshirts under all that clothing. Sheesh.
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:09 PM
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23. That sort of Judaism strikes me as the analog
to Opus Dei Catholicism. There seems to be in some religulous types a loathing of their own humanity.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:19 PM
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4. Assholes.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:20 PM
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5. Because of laws of modesty,
we are not allowed to publish pictures of women.

What about men? Don't we need to be modest with them too?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:30 PM
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27. Since when to JEWISH laws of modesty ever involve non-Jews???
Last I heard, Sec. Clinton was Methodist.

What that newspaper did was extremely disrespectful to Clinton and ALL women. Shame on them.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:22 PM
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48. They shouldn't publish photos of ANYONE then
if they can't publish photos of women they shouldn't publish photos of men. Otherwise they are discriminatory shitheads. Which apparently they are, to think they can get away with this lame 'apology'.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:24 PM
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8. what a stinking load it is to claim that their policies and beliefs don't denigrate women
fucking disgusting bigoted asswipes.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:25 PM
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10. That beats "to those I might have offended" as the lamest non-apology apolgy ever.
"Do not change?" "Do not change"--a MAJOR historical artifact?

Pardon me, but G ZUZ.


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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:28 PM
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11. Laws of modesty?
It's not like she was in her underwear or nekkid.

What is immodest about a photo of a fully clothed woman doing her job? How is that any different from a picture of a fully clothed man doing his job?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:29 PM
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12. Keep Digging! (nt)
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:29 PM
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13. What a load of BS. Do they really think people will excuse
them from attempting to alter history--because that photo is history--to eliminate
the presence of high ranking women based on their 'laws of modesty'?

Methinks they need to come into the 21st Century.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:31 PM
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14. More religious assholes
Edited on Mon May-09-11 04:32 PM by FLPanhandle
Their attitude toward women says more about their immaturity than I could do.
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:47 PM
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17. "...which in no way relegates them to a lower status"
Just because you say so doesn't make it true.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 04:48 PM
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18. Weird logic, I agree
But do you think they believe it or is it just an excuse?
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:01 PM
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19. I don't think they can believe it
Their sacred hierarchy is the same as for conservative christians: God above Man above Wife. That looks "lower" to me. As for it being an excuse, they might possibly think they're "glorifying" women and setting them on a pedestal and all the usual rot but as for their exact words "lower status," sorry it's an out and out lie.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:04 PM
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20. Awesome. We cry out for, and demand, an apology because of the
use of a name in a military mission (a successful mission), and will not accept an apology for what was probably an honest error by a photo editor.

Just freaking amazing.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:08 PM
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22. It wasn't done in error, it was done on purpose. They acknowledge that. nt
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:10 PM
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35. yes and no
The picture was altered on purpose. However the statement acknowledges that, from their perspective, the correct thing to have done was to not run the picture at all rather than alter it.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:27 PM
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43. Yes, and they issued an apology. It is now time to turn the page, and
not hang onto this pseudo outrage for days.

I'm sure there will be a new one tomorrow.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:34 PM
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44. That's fine, just wanted to correct the misperception that this was a simple honest error
when it was actually deliberately done. Actually, I think it demonstrates their contempt for women so clearly which is worthy of sustained outrage but I won't hold it against anyone who forgets about it when this particular event fades from sight. Their apology doesn't disguise their blatant misogyny and you can't apologize that away imho.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:31 PM
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50. So we have "pseudo outrage" about a non-apology? No, it wasn't an apology but an explanation.
"we regret if this gives an impression of disparaging to women, which is certainly never our intention. We apologize if this was seen as offensive."

They don't apologize for being offensive but only "if this was seen as offensive". Not an apology.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:11 AM
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55. Or, there is this line
"We should not have published the altered picture, and we have conveyed our regrets and apologies to the White House and to the State Department."

Is there the most remote of possibilities that the apology sent to the White House and the State Department was not included in the published statement?

If there were a way to harness the energy from the outrage here, the US would no longer be oil, or coal, or wind, or solar dependent.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:37 PM
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29. How is photoshopping two important women out of an historic image..
an "honest error"?
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:21 PM
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40. Y'know-- just a quick few hundred slips of the hand/mouse.
Could happen to anybody. Totally inadvertent!
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:25 PM
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42. A small paper with limited readership by a small group wouldn't
Edited on Mon May-09-11 06:26 PM by Obamanaut
really change anything from an historic perspective.

There are thousands of copies of the original all over the internet. There will be books written, and that picture will probably appear in those books, perhaps even with a footnote telling of the modified photo.

That one photo will not change the world.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:43 PM
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30. Geronimo was not the name of the mission..
Geronimo was the code word for bin Laden, the most feared and hated terrorist on the planet.

Obama himself revealed this truth on Sixty Minutes last night.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:21 PM
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:10 PM
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24. When fundy, patriarchal religions try to make the excuse that they are actually
"elevating" women by doing stuff like this (such as disappearing them from pictures because they just, well LOVE them sooooo much...), they must actually believe we are fools.

Nobody is fooled.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:13 PM
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25. "Sorry we got caught"
"Why would anybody look for Hillary Clinton in that famous pic?"
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:18 PM
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26. Thank GOD they removed the HIGHLY SUGGESTIVE females from that photo...
Edited on Mon May-09-11 05:20 PM by TroglodyteScholar
out of nothing but respect for those women, of course....
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:34 PM
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28. Holy crap they PHOTOSHOPPED her out!. When I was reading about this earlier
I ass-umed they had just cropped the picture.

But they photoshopped her out, what the hell?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:46 PM
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31. Even if I had seen only the "rabbi-ed" photo, I would have guessed
there was something wrong.

That's a big void at that table in a tense room where many are still standing up.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:59 PM
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32. Bull flaming cookies.
WHAT "laws of modesty"?

WHERE in the Torah is any of that garbage?

WHO was the first dimwitted troll who decided that men were so incapable of self control of any kind that even to look at a picture of a woman would undo them?

BLEH! BLEH! BLEH!



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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:07 PM
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33. "...we do not publish photos of women,"...
..."which in no way relegates them to a lower status".

Right. Because erasing the evidence of someone's participation in a historic event in no way relegates them to a lower status. Unless you think that changing their status to NOTHING is the same as LOWERING their status? Why would you think that? Pshaw!

:sarcasm:
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:07 PM
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34. Did they never publish a photo of Golda Meir?
stupid policy
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:13 PM
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38. Headline reads "That Big Blank Spot Indicating a Person Who Shall Not Be Named Or Photographed
Just Transformed Middle East Politics"

I mean, what the hell? I'm trying to envision what they did to get around THAT sticky fact?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:46 PM
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45. The pronoun protocol alone would be, well, I'd like to be
a fly on the wall when they discussed it...

:rofl:
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:12 PM
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36. This is bullshit and they are sexist pigs. "Modesty" forbids pictures of women but not of men?
That's because they view women as either sex objects or incapable of holding their own against men.

Men need not be "modest" because they are the ones who make the rules and they determine that they should have the freedom to participate fully in society, while women are nothing but the objects of affection of men.

Fucking assholes.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:12 PM
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37. So what would they have done if she were president?
She who must not be photographed.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:19 PM
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39. ha!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:50 PM
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46. THEN WHY DID THEY?
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 07:40 PM
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47. bs
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 08:29 PM
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49. Rabbi,
If you make ice cream out of horseshit, do you expect it to taste like chocolate?

-Hoot
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marybourg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:29 PM
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51. So when the Prime Minister of Israel holds a conversation
with the United States Secretary of State, do they publish a photo showing Bibi talking to the thin air?
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:38 AM
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53. Do their readers even know what Golda Meir looked like?
Or that she even existed?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:42 AM
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56. A similar paper posted a photo of the newest Israeli cabinet and photoshopped out the women
Caused a minor stir at the time, I believe.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:38 PM
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52. God, please protect me from your followers.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:43 AM
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54. Where in the Jewish religion does it say you can't have pictures of
women? They should be ashamed and embarrassed about their stupidity. They are showing themselves to be the idiots they clearly are.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:08 AM
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57. Have you read the Torah recently?
Gender equity is not especially prominent.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:15 AM
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58. Mentally ill sick fuck liars. nt
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 09:11 AM
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59. Well, when you put it that way, I guess it's OK then.
:grr:


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