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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 07:29 PM
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Man in trash bin survives after getting compacted
Edited on Mon May-09-11 07:29 PM by Liberal_in_LA
don't sleep in dumpsters

Man in trash bin survives after getting compacted


A homeless man escaped injury after being dumped from a large garbage bin into a trash truck, where he was compacted two or three times before being discovered.

Firefighters were called to the scene Monday afternoon after the Waste Management driver heard the 43-year-old man yelling.

Sacramento Municipal Fire District Assistant Chief Scott Cockrum told the Sacramento Bee that the man was still screaming when firefighters arrived and got him out.

Cockrum said the man was known to law enforcement as a transient who often slept in area trash bins.

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He was taken to the hospital as a precaution.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/05/09/state/n165152D15.DTL#ixzz1Lu9yigAN
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 07:44 PM
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1. To bad R2D2 wasn't there to disable it....
I shouldn't joke. Glad he lived and that trash is less dense than humans.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:20 PM
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20. No, you shouldn't but we homeless people have come to expect that.
We are worthless.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:20 PM
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22. There's something alive in here! NT
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:22 PM
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28. which begs the question. if there was a monster in there, why wouldn't it be killed when the trash
compacted?
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:20 PM
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2. If I were that homeless guy
I think I'd be so-0-o-o-o fucking grateful that I would consider the likely possibility that Divine Intervention played a role in my surviving such an ordeal.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:25 PM
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3. Yet allowed him to become homeless.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:30 PM
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4. A-hum ... We are co-creators
of our so-called sorry ass excuse for "reality".

Haven't you heard?
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:34 PM
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6. I heard you giving an excuse for the big guy
Falling down on the job.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:43 PM
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8. You have absolutely no idea
of what my conception of Gawd is, or if I even have one.

next?
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:04 PM
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12. Believing in divine intervention is a little bit revealing.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:45 PM
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14. Oh, please .. let's just leave Gawd out of this, ok?
I'd just be damn grateful and happy to be alive if I were that guy.

There. All better?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:50 AM
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16. Revealing of what?
Edited on Tue May-10-11 12:56 AM by demwing
Is it as revealing as bigotry, or as condescension? Why dance around? go ahead and say whats on your mind
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:52 PM
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10. What makes you think that if there is a God
that he or she is responsible for ending the indiviual hardships of human life?

Not everyone that believes in God, believes that God is a great cosmic vending machine, where you toss a few prayers in the slot, punch the right buttons, and out comes a nice little package of hope or redemption, like little M&Ms of bliss.

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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:03 PM
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11. So he's retired now?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:49 AM
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15. Nice dodge on the question
but feel free to try again
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AlabamaLibrul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 11:06 PM
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13. Post #6 isn't the one that suggested "divine intervention" nt
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:54 AM
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18. I know
but the post that you think did was really just an off hand remark, and not intended to get preachy with you
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:15 PM
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27. Yes, but everyone that believes in fairy tales lives in a fantasy and has little view of reality
I do not think the tooth fairy will bring me cash for the teeth I lost last month. I do however think that if more of you were less invested in your fairy tales and invisible sky beings we could perhaps get to the job of helping each other rather than taking the Calvinistic view that the poor are poor because the sky being does not count them among his elect.

Affordable housing, viable safety nets and human empathy are what is needed, not joking about the misfortunes of others.

Pray on that.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:22 PM
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33. I'm sorry
that the mere subject of God, even when brought up casually, gives you such pain, and causes you to behave so rudely. I truly feel badly for you...
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 09:28 PM
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35. I am sorry for all the damage caused
by faith in fantasies while real problems need solving.
I am also sorry that these fantasies have led to many of the problems I mentioned, and still do.

I remember the damage caused by the "christian coalition" as well as the problems caused by devout types like Erik Prince.
I remember how "the family" has supported the impending law of execution of gay people in Africa and all the pain the christian right is causing with there Calvinistic views of poverty.

My memory goes back much farther to atrocities committed in the name of invisible sky beings that numbered in the millions.

Face it, fantasy and sky cults will most likely lead to all our deaths because such fantasies do not allow us to believe in the reality of the science of our dying environment, after all, the rupture will happen long before the seas rise, isn't that so?
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 09:49 PM
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36. You judge all people of faith as if they were of one belief
and while what you say is true of a some, perhaps even of many, it is not true for all. And so, not making such distinctions, you condemn falsely.

Just to correct the record, faith does not lead to the problems you mentioned, but hate and bigotry does, and there's enough of that on both sides of the belief fence to spread in ample supply.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:20 PM
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37. Just like cancer, it doesn't kill everyone
But a suspiciously large number die.
I have seen nothing good come from religion based on fantasy, I have seen much damage dome by the distraction from reality even when the will was not evil.

Mostly I see evil people that like to justify what they do with the cloak of holiness.

Hate and bigotry is equal in both camps but only one camp will rationalize it with "divine words" and spread the hate and bigotry much farther.

The most Christ like person I ever met was a Druid, I have yet to meat a christian that will throw out Leviticus in favor of only acting like the man they take their name from.
I have no special dislike for the Christian sky cults, most sky cults are equally damaging to enlightened truth (over myth).

How can even a good man react properly to reality when it is clouded by faith in fairy tales to such a degree that science is considered to be nonsense?
Who will help the needy if the sky being has decided they are to be poor?

Who can be rational and believe in irrational things?
How can one behave rationally when one is no longer rational but rather a follower of invisible beings that "some guy" swears is real and has a book HE wrote to prove it?

What makes your faith more rational than that of the Aztecs? Or the Scientologists for that matter? Do you have the inside scoop? have the invisible supermen spoken to you and revealed THE ONE AND ONLY TRUTH that can not be proven and can often conflict with the reality before your eyes?

It is time for a New Enlightenment, not a return to the dark ages.
It would be good if the scales fell from your eyes and you got in the game of reality based solutions to man made problems.
It is time to leave the tooth fairy behind, we are dying and we need your help, not your prayers.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 12:49 AM
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39. What in the world makes you think I'm a Christian? /nt
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:08 AM
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40. What myth do you believe is real? Is it a good replacement for rationalism?
I am about ready to give up and put my head in the faith sand right about now, If your myth is believable, I may hide my head there.
(it is just too hard for me to buy the invisible superman theory proposed by most western faiths, I need a more clever myth to fool me into a happy sleep)

It would be so much easier to believe than it is to see our culture and biological world die.
With the right blinders, perhaps I can ignore a sad reality in exchange for a happy faith.

I am a smart ass for sure, but I am really asking for the faith narcotic (if you have a good one), I find it harder and harder to face the reality that is right in front of me.
I am poor, extremely ill, and there is no help available for me and others.
Truth hurts and I can't afford any medication.

Maybe I can die with a smile.
If only I can believe the right story and pretend it is real.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:16 AM
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46. If someone sincerely inquired about my faith, I'd be happy to engage in that conversation
But you come flying out the door with disparaging remarks, and it's clear you don't want a friendly discourse, you want an argument.

So let's be clear - whether you agree or disagree with any particular articles of my faith is not the issue. I don't need your respect, or your affirmation, and I have no desire to proselytize.

Ultimately, I don't care what you believe. I don't care if you post that you don't believe in God, or if you write that you think spirituality is not for you. Simple expressions of your beliefs don't offend me, and shouldn't offend anyone, just as my simple expressions of faith should not offend you.

I don't expect you to temper your thoughts, but I do expect you to temper your actions, start following DU rules, and refrain from personal attacks.

If that's too hard for you, let me know.

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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 02:06 PM
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47. I was being sincere, and I did not attack you, I am not worthy I suppose to hear the truth
Nor am I supposed to point out the very real dangers of misplaced faith.
The truth is not disparaging, just hard to hear sometimes.

I was sincere even if I am a smartass. It is hard for me to fake respect for something I think is killing people and I am very sick and not in the best of the moods with no medication even to make dying easier.
It would appear that empathy and revealing your truth is not part of your mythology.

Sorry for asking and for calling myths myths when myths have been redefined as absolute truths by those that cannot explain them to one not indoctrinated.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:19 PM
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48. Yeah, as I feared
you have no desire for discourse, you just want to poke the tiger.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 12:16 PM
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54. Religion is not for the poor, ironic as that seems
Edited on Sat May-14-11 12:34 PM by mntleo2
...while the poor have a deep spirituality from what I have seen, religion and its institutes have done great damage to the poor. We are often past the, "Don't worry about it, God will take care of you," we often see that as a kind of dismissal. What if God doesn't take care of you? What if you are the man in the dumpster and while he narrowly escaped death, the very fact he had to sleep there is *not* being "taken care of"!. See?

Also religious non-proftis (most often relied upon now that our safety net is destroyed) are often more about themselves than for the mission they pretend to be about. They are punitive and require so many hoops to jump through that it is often impossibe to access their "help". They collect literally 100s of X more for themselves than for the services they provide ~ often using government money to do so. I am sorry but when a faith-based organization collects $56,000 to provide a family with a one-time government paid energy assist, (costing at most $1000.00) this is helping themselves more than the person.

The poor have learned not to rely on God or religions, they have to rely on themselves, and while they can never "rely" on it, MAYBE the "miracle of whomever gets the situtation they are in enough to help. They don't need it a week from then "after the paperwork is processed", they need it now. and often religion is about after you die *not* now.

I think what the poster is saying is that we have been dismissed enough with "I will pray for you" and it is not enough. We have come to see we are just "merchandise" to the faith-based Poverty Industry while at the same time being treated as if we are criminals and do not deserve the help (while they do deserve the "help" they get) ~ can you see the dicotomy of the situation here?

There comes a time when "God" Whomever He/She is, just hasn't been there to eleviate the suffering while others who have even been evil seem to live in comfort FOR their evil-ness. It is small comfort that in Heaven you will be "rich" while in THIS life, you are shivering in a doorway in the snow where you are criminalized for even being there when there is nowhere else to be. Especvially when you become a criminal with the applause of people belonging to the very institutes who also use you as merchandise and then demean you for being poor.

Praying doesn't do much to warm the feet, you know?

Hope this enlightens

Cat in Seattle
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:25 PM
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34. Maybe a higher power was telling him to apply with the sanitation service for a job?
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:57 AM
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41. That's precious.
Stay with that kind of deciphering the energy, and you will go far my son.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:20 PM
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21. Yes, you are right... it sure wasn't "progressives" who played that role.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:37 PM
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49. Jeebus did it
:eyes:
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 11:05 AM
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50. this comment is full of shit. nt
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:31 PM
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5. What are his sleeping arrangement alternatives? Shelters are full. He probably can't afford
a motel. The underpasses are overcrowded. He could be arrested for sleeping in a park. And anyway sleeping out in the open is just an invitation for someone to come along and beat on him or steal what few possessions he has.

So while I agree with your assessment that sleeping in a dumpster is a bad idea because you can get crushed to death, it shows how bad the situation must be if _that_ is considered to be the _good_ option.

(P.S. I'm not picking on you personally here. I'm just angry about the public housing situation in this country. No one should have to be homeless.)
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:42 PM
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7. +100 - Shelters typical screening criteria separates next of kin ...
... even married couples (men and women MUST live/sleep in separate areas), and totally ruptures any relationships with pets (not allowed on premises).

And there is nearly always such a strong authoritarian vibe that it energetically drives away these "professional misfits" ... Geesh ... who could have known?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 10:44 PM
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9. Oh yes. Shelters are no solution to the problem. Add in the
Edited on Mon May-09-11 10:47 PM by GreenPartyVoter
indignity of drug tests and searches, as well as the risk of contracting diseases. :(
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:53 AM
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17. I hope that man "pressed charges"!
...or maybe I just shouldn't be so punny at this late hour.

;)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:22 PM
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24. No, you are right... homelessness IS a laughing matter.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:03 AM
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19. "A homeless man says he wasn't hurt after getting dumped into a garbage truck and compacted twice"
Man dumped, compacted in garbage truck in N. Highlands
2:32 PM, May 9, 2011
http://www.news10.net/news/watercooler/137031/335/Man-dumped-compacted-in-garbage-truck-in-N-Highlands
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 12:22 PM
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 01:56 PM
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25. hmm...
Edited on Tue May-10-11 01:58 PM by chervilant
What was your intent, posting this? What did you mean, "don't sleep in dumpsters"?

How would you feel if you had to choose a dumpster for overnight shelter? Can you imagine how scared this poor man was, trapped in a compacting trash truck?

Our species seems to be devolving, when so many find humor in a situation which could have ended in an horrific death.

And, I wonder how many of us will end up on the streets when the Global Economic Collapse brings everything to a screeching halt...
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 02:17 PM
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26. I think a lot, a massive number of Americans, are going to find themselves
Edited on Tue May-10-11 02:18 PM by RKP5637
in the same situation down the road when the Global Economic Collapse brings everything to a screeching halt...

What goes around comes around. I know a number of people once well over $100k per year now happy just to be working about min. wage. SH** happens in life and often it's very unexpected and not through ones fault. ... but some humans seem to think it's sheik to be on the devolving side of the future and don't get the big picture of what's happening in this country.


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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 03:31 PM
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29. nobody, I mean NOBODY
should have to sleep in dumpster! Shame on this country!
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:03 PM
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30. Here is the stooopidist part of this story ...
Edited on Tue May-10-11 04:08 PM by mntleo2
...with a national debt of $13 billion that the rich and powerful have run up because of their selfish greed, this would be enough to BUY a house for every man, woman, and as well as provide parks, decent schools and help small businesses. Maybe even throw in a free college education for all.

But instead we force this man to sleep in a dumpster and think it is a "solution" to have overflowing shelters, which are punitive band aids that help few while spreading deadly diseases that our health departments refuse to admit are on the move. Maybe YOU are next to catch them because they can't do anything about them since they are super bugs resistant to anything we have at this time.


If I am angry like GreenParty above, it is because we activists tried to tell the middle class they are next. Would they listen? No. Look out because you middle class people ARE next and you did it to yourselves worshiping the rich who were robbing you blind.

Rather they refused to admit poverty is an institution based on racism, sexism, classism and ageism that THEY benefited from and for which they perpetuated with their lame laws criminalizing the poor. Instead of seeing this institution, they pretended it wasn't and blamed each low income person for their "bad choices".

If Paris Hilton were a drug addicted, alcoholic, pregnant teen, (which she probably is some of those things), SHE would never be blamed for "making bad choices" because the taxes she took from US will pay for her welfare queen life and her choices. Does this occur to idiots who actually believe all that money "belongs" to her when she in affect pays nothing into this country for her lifestyle? As a matter of fact a REAL welfare mom pays about 5-10 X a proportion of her income in taxes, far more of a scarifice for her and her family than Paris Hilton. Oh no, Hilton can fly all over the world in her private jet to party and pay enough for a bottle of wine for dinner than most people could use to pay the rent, but the man in the dumpster, well THAT' S funny.

Instead they allowed this debt to increase with applause and their silent complicity and now when it is happening to them, they piss and moan about the "middle class" suffering. When right under their damn upturned noses what was happening to their brothers and sisters who cried it was coming for them. But hey, "those people" made all the wrong choices so they were not worth regarding as credible. They STILL refuse to learn from the poor and need to get up off their sorry asses and get active. Instead they laugh at the near manslaughter of a man seeking shelter in danger because they refuse to see the big picture.

Yes I am mad. I am furious because I remember being taunted on this very forum 10 years ago while trying to raise the alarm. I was booed off the stage with so-called "Progressives" who quite frankly had their heads all the way up their asses so far they thought they were smelling perfume instead of the "brown stuff" they were inhaling. While they were doing that, many millions continued to suffer and the situation deteriorated into THIS "funny story.

It is hard not to say "I told you so."

Wait a minute: I TOLD YOU SO YOU SO DUMMASSES!!!!!!!!! Now get off your ass and learn from it instead of covering the real issues up with "humor" that in essence uses crap to make more crap. You better because YOU are next.

There I feel better.

Cat in Seattle
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:36 PM
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31. Thank you for stating the obvious. I often wonder if the death of empathy occasioned a funeral.
Many are dying as a result of the death of empathy in America, perhaps they are all funerals for the death of humanity in a way. It is after all inhuman to be inspired to laughter by a fellow human being that has to live a life where dumpsters are slightly safer to sleep in than somewhere in view of others that would beat or kill him (no doubt laughing and youtubing the whole event while he bled)

The death of empathy deserves a funeral, it was the death of all that was decent in our culture.

Ther is very little humanity left in this culture.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:37 AM
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42. "...perhaps they are all funerals for the death of humanity in a way."
A very poignant comment, Dragonfli, & an outstanding post.

We have cultivated a society that values money & things more than people. Until that attitude changes, there will be no change in the way the poor are treated. Or the way the earth is treated. Everything is just a commodity in our for-profit system, organized in a hierarchy, where only a few get to determine who/what is worthy & who/what is not. Tough shit for all the losers at the bottom.

I think this century is going to be full of conflict on a global scale. There will be a few pockets of sanity. Denmark sounds good to me, in spite of the dark winters. ;)

Hope you are well.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:53 AM
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43. Your post
Edited on Wed May-11-11 10:54 AM by chervilant
is outstanding, too. Both you and Dragonfli have articulated observations about our species' current status that should be disseminated widely, especially to our children. Our children cannot fix this issue until they know exactly what we're facing. I think our children will be 'fixing' this, because I'm in the twilight of my years (as are most of my activist friends), and most of us no longer have the stamina to get out and protest, beyond writing letters and emails.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:27 PM
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38. +1,000,000
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 11:25 AM
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53. That's a good post mntleo.
:thumbsup:
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 06:46 PM
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32. What a horribly sad story, and shame on us if we just shrug it off
and think, 'meh, it's not me or anyone I know, so who cares?"

We are so in this together, and what person in their right mind would think this funny?

We are seriously in trouble when a post like this elicits humorous, or attempts at humorous, responses.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:55 AM
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44. An elegant illustration of how the poor are treated in America. nt
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:06 AM
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45. This article fails to mention the most disturbing part of the story.
The area has had a real problem with people sleeping in trash bins, so the Sacto police started telling all of the businesses to lock their dumpsters. The WM driver didn't check inside the dumpster before loading it because it was LOCKED.

This homeless guy climbed inside the dumpster to get some sleep, and some dumbass came along and locked him in.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 11:06 AM
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51. how terribly we treat our poor and how well we treat our uber-wealthy
its a really really sad society
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 11:15 AM
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52. That poor man. Shame on us.
:cry:
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