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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:53 AM
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An example of one of the dumbest, slanted, stupidest, biased story..I have ever seen
Edited on Tue May-10-11 08:06 AM by Stuart G
Biggest-Car-Flops-of the past 15 years



www.yahoo.com



http://autos.yahoo.com/news/biggest-car-flops-of-the-past-15-years.html

One of the Car Flops..was the EV1.
This description doesn't say what it was. Does it?

Why do you write a story, put it on the internet for millions to see on the front page,(it is got one of those rotating pictrue/links..this story is not always up there)... and not tell what it was? Does everyone know what it was???
not really...
I think it was...let's see...
an electric car




Doesn't say. what it was???
....does it??? here it is...
... the actual story says about EV1....available at the second link above..
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General Motors EV1
General Motors’ EV1 was a car that was ahead of its time. GM brought the EV1 to market in 1996, and by 2002 more than 1,000 EV1s had been produced. It wasn’t the vehicle itself that made the EV1 a flop, it was the actions taken by GM that led to the car’s inclusion on this list.

The EV1 was only available for lease, and despite an extremely loyal customer base, GM pulled all of the EV1s off the road in the early part of this century. Customers were willing to pay a premium price to purchase an EV1 outright, but GM refused and instead began the arduous process of destroying the majority of EV1s that it had produced.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:57 AM
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1. It's been no secret that 90 percent of online auto "journalists"
can hardly tell you how many wheels a car has...
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:00 AM
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2. If this idiot doesnt' incude "what it was" how can anyone
believe any of this.???
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:02 AM
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3. It's on yahoo-what do you expect.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:10 AM
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4. One doc I know had one here
and while it was a little disconcerting to see the miles of extension cord going from the professional building to a car, I noticed he drove that car to work every single day he had it. He also tried to purchase it.

The article at Yahoo had to have been written by some kid who wasn't told the whole story, probably some dumb kid in love with overpowered muscle cars.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:16 AM
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6. The phrase "some dumb kid in love with overpowered muscle cars" describes 99.993% of auto journos.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:13 AM
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5. The EV1 didn't have a range or enough charging stations, and was cost prohibitive for most people
The leaf is a pure electric car, costs about 25K with government incentives, and with ideal situations has about a 100 mile range. Problem is it will cost you about 2K more to install the charging station in your house.

The Volt is not a pure electric car but a hybrid, which is more practical for most people, but still is quite cost prohibitive for most people, especially considering that the Prius or Civic hybrid are 40% cheaper.

Until the infrastructure, range, and costs come down personal all electric vehicles will have a limited potential in my view. However, public electric buses, trains, etc. are very feasible, and should be exploited as much as possible

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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:21 AM
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7. How often do people take trips over 100 miles? I think the whole "range" argument is negated by the

fact that most American families are multi-vehicle households anyway. Its quite possible for a family to have an electric or hybrid for commuting and a conventional ICE vehicle for long trips.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:52 AM
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8. I guess that depends where you live, and your commute however, in general you are right, most
probably don't, but unless the upfront cost to the consumer is reduced it won't fly.

The hybrid Civic's or Prius can get you about 45 to 50 MPG at a cost of about 22 - 25 thousand dollars

A non-hybrid small car can get you about 35 to 40 MPG at a cost of about 13 - 16 thousand dollars

The Leaf costs about 25 thousand, but limited range, while the Volt will cost about 33 - 35 thousand both with government subsidies.

If the price comes down on the vehicles I think the picture would definitely change


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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:56 AM
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9. It was a 'flop' that shouldn't have been
I understand what the writer was saying. He isn't criticizing the car itself.

In reality, it was a "hit".
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:59 AM
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10. There's a documentary about that car and what happened to it!
It is fascinating. The Car company basically told people they didn't want their money. They were probably bought off by an oil company. People like Peter Horton and Ed Beagley Jr (Bill Nye the science guy's neighbor and best friend) owned them and loved them. But they came, hauled the cars off to the salvage yard and smashed them to bits, in spite of them trying to give them an outrageous amount of money for them. If you can catch it, I recommend it. You'll be left PISSED OFF and confused.
Duckie
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:03 AM
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11. What is interesting is that this idiot, who wrote this story, did
not tell the whole story. What kind of car this was. I think he did it on purpose, not through stupidity.
Now note this please..

As I was going over the story, an ad for the Chevy Volt appeard momentarily above this story. Some kind of deal where the computer generates an ad, for what you are are reading. The Chevy volt, is the latest version...quite late of the hybred car..
Volt is advertising,for a moment this story. So, maybe the writers and placers of the story, didn't want to critacize the company that is advertising above the story..

That GM destroyed the electric car, which people wanted is kinda unbelieveable. If GM had increased production, and improved upon the technology it created, who knows where we would be? Especially if they predicted that a high quality electric car , would be so much in demand in the future.
So the story was slanted to present GM in a better place than it really is/was. Oh just some kind of goof. Oh?
You know ...like Bush goofing on WMDs. or was it a goof?



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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 10:37 AM
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12. Like I said, GM was paid off by someone to kill it.
Otherwise, they would have just improved technology that they OBVIOUSLY had a market for and sent it on it's way. but they didn't do that. Instead they just killed it outright. Do you know of any businesses who won't sell a product they obviously know will sell at any price? I don't! If my mom were selling an alcohol (she owns a liquor store) that was sugar free and zero calories, and it was selling WELL, she'd INCREASE her stock, not stop ordering it. It's just asinine to completely kill something you obviously could make money on at least from the hippies and econuts!
Duckie
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