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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:53 PM
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Entitlement Programs: This makes me insane!
Social Security and Medicare are NOT entitlement programs. Welfare, food stamps, etc, might be called entitlements, but when I PAY for something for YEARS, this is not an "entitlement" program. Oh, this makes me INSANE. And NPR is just encouraging this by calling it this. UGH! They want to cut these programs. Sorry, but I paid you, and with compounded interest, I should be able to get cost of living increases. I should be able to get medicare without you calling me a freaking cow sucking at the teet of Uncle Sam.
MAKE IT STOP! PLEASE!
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sunwyn Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:56 PM
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1. Oh it's an etitlement alright...and I am entitled to the money I paid in. So if they are gonna do
away with it, I want my damn money back!
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:57 PM
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2. To put it that way, AMEN to THAT!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:00 PM
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4. With interest
At the going rate each month I payed in.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:41 PM
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11. True that!!!! n/t
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 04:59 PM
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3. Social Security and Medicare are NOT investment accounts; you haven't earned any compound interest
They are social insurance programs. This is a fact.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:01 PM
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5. Your mistake is in thinking entitlement is a negative word. It's not.
It doesn't mean "charity." It doesn't mean "welfare."

It means something that is owed to you, that you have title to, no matter what your income -- because you paid for it.

(Welfare and food stamps are not entitlements, by the way. They are need-based social welfare programs.)
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:28 PM
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9. Agree 100%
Words mean things. The right-wing framed this to be a bad word. It's not.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 06:54 PM
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12. Same here.. Agree 100%
Entitlement should not be thought of as a negative.

Those other taxes that we pay that we don't receive in our hands do important work too. Like build roads that allow us to go to work, for goods to be transported, to travel, etc. Paying all those taxes makes it possible for everyone to have a better life because we collectively use it for the good of everyone. Such a socialized idea.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:01 PM
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6. That's the technical term.
Don't confuse the meaning of entitlement as used in "entitlement program" with the pejorative one. These programs are called "entitlements" because we are entitled to them by law. They are a defined and guaranteed right due to statute. It has nothing to do with negative connotations such as "sense of entitlement" or "entitled little dipshit."
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:25 PM
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7. You weren't paying for your own retirement
You were paying for previous generations' retirements. Now, you are at the mercy of both the faulty accounting of those years, and the willingness of shrinking generations behind you (if you're a baby boomer) to continue this scheme, even though they stand even less chance than you of getting anything out of it.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:07 PM
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13. Actually, when the system was supposedly fixed several years ago,
Edited on Tue May-10-11 07:08 PM by pnwmom
we WERE paying for what was supposed to be our own retirement. They were taking enough out to pay for that -- until they broke their promises and started diverting that money for other purposes (not using it just to pay for current retirees, but to balance the budget).
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:03 PM
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18. The key word is
"supposedly". Anytime you create a great pot of money that is subject to the control of only Congress, expect that cookie jar to have many hands in it.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:27 PM
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8. Yes, they are.
An entitlement is "a right granted by law or contract (especially a right to benefits)". It has nothing to do with who is funding the program. Social Security is, in fact, an entitlement.

To quote the great EstimatedProphet:

Of course it's an entitlement. BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH ENTITLEMENTS

Idiot teabillies think that SS is a tax. They think this because they are stupid. People pay into SS, and it is no different than a 401K - with 1 exception: it's safer. However, it's far from an entitlement the way they think of an entitlement, as money that gets taken from them and given to those dirty neegras and messicans. But, as I said before, they think that because they are stupid.

Social Security is, by definition, an entitlement.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:07 PM
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14. Republicans make it sound like it is...that's the problem.
By calling them that, they make people on Social Security and Medicare sound like who they call "welfare queens" who have "litters" to suck off the teet of the government. Pisses me off.
Quotes are their terms, not mine.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:09 PM
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15. So be pissed at them for manipulating the word.
SS is, by definition, an entitlement. They use it improperly, not people who refer to SS as an entitlement. It is.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 05:33 PM
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10. Framing idea.
The collectively GOP wants your (our) money and expects *not* to have to work for it.

Saying it that way might make the moderate Republican actually do something to give their radicals the boot.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:39 PM
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16. Words mean things; "Entitlement" doesn't mean what you think it does
An entitlement is the right to guaranteed benefits, such as Social Security or Unemployment Insurancw compensation. It is NOT welfare.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 07:41 PM
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17. Nice wedge between the muddleclass and poor. Great strategery.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:18 PM
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20. And using a term like "muddleclass" incessantly isn't driving a wedge? nt
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-11 08:07 PM
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19. What if you pay in 150k but take out 450k
as the average American does? Who pays the difference?
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