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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:46 AM
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Bin Laden son calls burial at sea 'humiliating'
Bin Laden son calls burial at sea 'humiliating'

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0510/Bin-Laden-son-calls-burial-at-sea-humiliating?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+feeds%2Fworld+%28Christian+Science+Monitor+|+World%29



A statement purporting to come from a son of Osama bin Laden denounced the al Qaeda leader's killing as "criminal" and said his burial at sea had humiliated the family, an online monitoring service said.

There was no independent confirmation of the authenticity of the letter, published on the website of Islamist ideologue Abu Walid al-Masri, although several specialists on militant propaganda said the text appeared genuine.

The letter said, in part: "We hold the American President (Barack) Obama legally responsible to clarify the fate of our father, Osama bin Laden, for it is unacceptable, humanely and religiously, to dispose of a person with such importance and status among his people, by throwing his body into the sea in that way, which demeans and humiliates his family and his supporters and which challenges religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims."

The letter said the U.S. administration had offered no proof to back up its account of the mission. It alleged the goal of raid had been to kill and not arrest, adding that afterwards the American commandos had "rushed to dispose of the body".
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:48 AM
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1. Well, I suppose he could have been thrown off the 90th floor of a burning skyscraper.
:shrug:

.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:51 AM
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6. and when he pulls the parachute, forks and knives spill out of it like in looney tunes!
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:55 AM
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14. Why, dionysus!
You madcap! Where you going with that shotgun?
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yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:32 AM
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29. Throwing an anvil after him would be wise, just in case he survives the fall. eom
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 12:50 PM
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39. i wonder if he'd have pulled out that tiny parasol as the anvil approached...
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yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 02:03 PM
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45. we can give him one of those as he makes the "leap". eom
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 02:35 PM
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50. you people are fucking nuts
:rofl:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:10 PM
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85. I see I wasn't the only one to learn physics
at Looney Tunes U

:rofl:

dg
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:48 AM
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35. Thread over in one. nt
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:30 PM
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69. Winner.
Edited on Wed May-11-11 05:31 PM by TroglodyteScholar
P.S. - Sorry, Omar, you may really deserve better. But the old man was kind of a dick, ya know? You reap what you sow.
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:17 AM
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105. exactly
His son is nuts too.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:16 PM
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121. .
:patriot:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:07 PM
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131. That's the first thing I thought of
when I saw the OP headline. Uggh... OBL's spawn should get lost. Or send a private email to Chomsky so they can grieve together.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:48 AM
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2. oh noes.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:48 AM
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3. Then I am convinced that we did the right thing
Fuck him.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:06 AM
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23. self delete.
Edited on Wed May-11-11 11:06 AM by JaneQPublic
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:11 AM
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24. +1 nt.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:47 PM
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73. +1
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mysuzuki2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:49 AM
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4. well, ain't that just too damn bad.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:50 AM
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5. Dear Jr. Bin Laden
Good- I'm glad it was humiliating.

So enlighten us as to how humiliating it is to have a mass murderer as a father....
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:56 AM
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16. "enlighten us as to how humiliating it is to have a mass murderer as a father...."
Indeed. Directly to the point....
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 02:34 PM
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49. You apparently don't know anything about this particular son
Amazing to see the knee-jerk reaction to this, aside from the fact that it is not certain the letter came from Omar Bin Laden.

But fyi, Omar Bin Laden has spoken at length both in interviews and in a book about being the son of Bin Laden and his feelings about his father choices.

If you care to actually know his feelings on what it feels like to be the son of Bin Laden, the information is available.

Otoh, who needs information these days?
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:19 AM
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106. Did you read this line?
"dispose of a person with such importance and status among his people"

he obviously is screwed up
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:42 PM
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113. Yes, I think from what I have read about him, he is screwed up.
Many children of extremists end up with problems. He is and has said so, torn about his father who as a father he loves but whose policies he rejects. He left his father in Afghanistan at the age of 17 and according to what is known, has never seen him again. A decision he says, brought him sorrow.

I don't hold children responsible for what their parents do. Bin Laden has made life hell for everyone in his family whose family name used to be highly regarded in the Arab world. I imagine this son, already conflicted as any one of us would be probably be in his position, is reacting emotionally right now.

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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 09:32 AM
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107. Was he misquoted in the article?
Sorry- I haven't done alot of research on the children of Bin Laden :eyes:

However I do see him saying "a person with such importance and status among his people, by throwing his body into the sea in that way, which demeans and humiliates his family and his supporters" He seems to be saying his father should be honored for his status and that we should have taken into account the feeling of his supporters.

Suggestion: If you want to educate and inform others about something that you feel they are mistaken about, it's probably not a great idea to be snarky and insulting right off the top. That tends to make folks just stop listening to anything you have to say.

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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:07 PM
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118. Your last sentence is correct, and I apologize for my
response. No excuse other than that I have read articles about this son and felt a lot of compassion for what his father put him through throughout his childhood and his teenage years. On a human level it would be hard not to feel for the families of criminals and especially one as notorious as Bin Laden who have no control over what their family members do and then have to live with it. And, as in his case, often suffer consequences for the actions of another and for which they are not to blame. They are in an untennable position. Even if they completely reject their relatives, the world will always associate them.

You may feel differently of course, but if you are interested in learning more about him, I did write this OP featuring a long interview with him in Rolling Stone several months ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9287891

Again, my apologies for my own, ironically :-), knee-jerk reaction.



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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 01:10 PM
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142. I'm going to read then when I get home tonight.
Thank you for linking it and thank you for the apology :)
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:08 PM
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132. apparently not humiliating enough
as he chooses to keep inserting himself into the headlines! :argh:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:51 AM
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7. Good
Sometimes people need to be humiliated.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:52 AM
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8. not feeling the empathy... nt
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:52 AM
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9. So when did we start caring about what Osama's son has to say?
We hold the American President (Barack) Obama legally responsible to clarify the fate of our father, Osama bin Laden, for it is unacceptable, humanely and religiously, to dispose of a person with such importance and status among his people, by throwing his body into the sea in that way, which demeans and humiliates his family and his supporters and which challenges religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims.

This guy talks like a Republican...
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:54 AM
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12. Since he looks like a cool indie rocker nt
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:48 AM
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34. ROFL
:rofl:
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:49 PM
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74. "a person with such importance and status among his people"
I certainly don't give a shit.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:54 AM
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10. And having Bin Laden for a dad isn't embarrassing?
:shrug:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:55 AM
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15. +1
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:37 PM
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55. Adds a new element to the old "my dad can beat up your dad" routine
"oh yeah, well my dad can send waves of suicide bombers to where your dad works and kill everyone!"
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:54 AM
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11. I think the thousands that were buried under tons of rubble were more 'humiliated.'
Fuck bin Laden's son.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:54 AM
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13. 3000+ Americans did not have grave either. n/t
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:05 PM
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117. Sure they did.
They are now the streets of NYC. They were ground up for asphalt.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:59 AM
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17. Ugh. This dude is not gonna age well. He's off to a really bad start.
:puke:

Oh, and eff you and your dead ass murderous "father".
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:00 AM
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18. But, but, what about all those virgins the great jihadist is now enjoying?
Won't God Almighty surely make up for any humiliation suffered during dad's saintly battle?

What am I not understanding?


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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:27 AM
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28. He went away without the herbal viagra. Virgins still waiting....n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:28 PM
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94. The virgins...
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:01 AM
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19. You are welcome. Courtesy US taxpayers. (It's a far better burial than many at the WTC's got.)
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:03 AM
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20. I expect that was rather the idea.
Observe the relevant religious rites, to make it clear it's not about Islam. Then lessen the man.

It is not exactly our first rodeo. :shrug:
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:32 PM
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66. You might want to check out what the Geneva Conventions have
to say about disposing of the corpses of combatants in unmarked graves. STRICTLY PROHIBITED and for far longer than Geneva has been around, btw.

Oh, wait, the Geneva Conventions are 'quaint and obsolete.' Now where have I heard that before? Hint: It wasn't on DU

:sarcasm:
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:49 PM
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90. Er. You might want to, actually.
Burial at sea has long been permitted, as long as each ceremony is individual. Only mass burials at sea are forbidden.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:26 AM
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95. I hate playing 'gotcha' games on anonymous boards. But Geneva
clearly forbids unequivocally and without exception killing a combatant on land and then disposing of the body at sea in an unmarked grave. The general principle is that it is forbidden to 'disappear' corpses of combatants. According to DUer EFerrari, variants of that principle have been around since the Classical Greeks. Geneva merely codifies a long-extant norm.

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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:26 AM
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100. I haven't read her commentary.
I'm also not aware of prescriptions that require someone be buried on land if killed on land, or at sea if killed there. It's an odd idea.

The notion, you are correct, is to ensure the dead are accounted for; this is the "careful examination" clause to ensure identity and if possible cause of death, as well as the express prohibition of common graves.

Chapter 2, Article 20: http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/9861b8c2f0e83ed3c1256403003fb8c5/1ee1a1a444c6c61ac12563cd0051a68d!OpenDocument">ICRC link

ICRC extended commentary on this (worth the read): http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/COM/370-580024?OpenDocument">ICRC link
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:05 AM
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21. burial "demeans and humiliates his family" ?! but mass murder doesnt hurt his "creds"
wtf
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:06 AM
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22. I would thank that being bin Laden's son would be humiliating enough
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:15 AM
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25. Yeah, humiliating to the sea life that are forced to share their home with him...
Other than that, it's all good.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:22 AM
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26. He had to know this day was coming.
Those who live by mass murder do not usually get to die with great dignity.
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Lynx Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:26 AM
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27. Oh, yeah?
That's tough.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:34 AM
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30. I'm not a "wrap him in bacon" yahoo and I still prefer he was captured alive if possible, but....
...I've got no problem with the burial at sea. And I do think we tried as best as we could to follow Muslim burial rites (even if they weren't followed exactly), which I have no qualms with. I find that admirable on our part and don't blame us for trying.

Your daddy was a murderous douchebag who preached a perverted version of an admirable, legitimate religion, and thus needlessly brought shame and suspicion on billions of innocent Muslims who didn't deserve such scruitiny. He ain't no "person of importance and status among his people." Sorry to break it to you.

We gave him as classy a burial as he could expect to recieve from us.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:48 PM
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42. ^ This. n/t
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:34 AM
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31. Fuck him
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yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:35 AM
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32. That he doesn't find OBL's deeds humiliating to the family speaks volumes. eom
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:47 AM
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33. Do we give a rats ass what this two bit son of a terrorist thinks?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 02:22 PM
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47. NO! (n/t)
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:25 PM
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51. I didn't think so either
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 11:52 AM
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36. Humiliating?
Don't you mean "terrifying"?? Yes, mah boy, this could be you. Rethink your stance on the rest of the world and the world's religions before a SEAL puts a red dot on your head. I always told my son, "Learn from my mistakes. It costs less than learning from your own." I humbly offer that suggestion to you and your 250 (or whatever) siblings.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 12:10 PM
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37. maybe hes hoping his "father" left him something in the will...
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 12:13 PM
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38. He adds insult to injury.
On behalf of at least 86% of Americans let me just say Good Fucking Riddance to Bin Laden and may we never again be subjected to his family's egregious claims on respect that that mother fucking terrorist apparently "deserved".

He deserved what he got and more.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 12:54 PM
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40. Dr. Fate calls burial of 3,000 Americans in Ground Zero rubble 'humiliating'
Story at five...
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:40 PM
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41. They don't make violins small enough for this complaint.
To include the word "humanely" in his complaint after the atrocities, deaths, and pain his father caused is an insult to hundreds of millions of intelligent people.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 01:55 PM
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43. Aww
C'mon now, what's the complaint? He got his 72 Sturgeons didn't he? :silly:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 02:02 PM
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44. I dont give a shit about how improtant he was and I dont care if we demean his supporters
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 02:05 PM
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46. He's got his hair corn rowed... Very un-taliban like. Taliban dictate how men should wear their
hair. I'm guessing this son is living a life of freedom, not under Taliban rules
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 02:27 PM
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48. "such importance and status among his people"
To "his people," I say: Feel free to go retrieve the body and do it your way.

His status among our people was slightly different, sorry.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:30 PM
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52. i find Bin Laden's son to be offensive and ignorant
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:35 PM
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53. It wasn't humiliating enough.
While I understand that burying his ugly ass at sea makes sense in that it deprives his followers of a shrine, at the same time it deprived the rest of the world of a place to piss on. At least he should have been dumped in the East River wearing cement overshoes. "He sleeps wit' da fishes."

Fuck him.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:40 PM
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57. Perhaps people are pissed that there was no...
Grainy cell phone video of his hanging?
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:42 PM
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58. I don't want to see pictures. I just don't care that we "humiliated"
that evil bastard posthumously.

Again: Fuck him.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:01 PM
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60. I agree...
I'm normally not so quick to agree with brutality, but I believe this bastard begged for this and more.

I don't need to see pictures either... fuck 'em indeed.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:14 AM
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99. Lots might not like this, but....
I agree with you with one caveat;

They should have sewn his body inside a pig carcass and THEN thrown him overboard.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:36 PM
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54. Less humiliating than being forced to have that hairstyle.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:39 PM
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56. Where was his outrage when Daddy Dearest...
Unceremoniously killed and buried/scattered the bodies in one fell swoop?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:02 PM
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61. Unfortunately, he was probably celebrating. (n/t)

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:02 PM
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62. I bet you are 100% correct...
Karma can be a cruel and heartless bitch.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:42 PM
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70. No--this son has always been against the killing. nt
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 06:53 PM
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75. Then he should be ashamed...
To demand so much for his murderous father.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:35 PM
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78. He trained in Al Qaeda...then decided it wasn't for him...
...but now he's bemoaning America's disrespect for Daddy Dearest's "legacy," so I have no choice but to join the chorus of the many reasonable people inviting him to go fuck himself.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:09 PM
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83. Oh, I agree about that. But It is not precisely true to
completely conflate his blathering about "respect" for his father and the sort of guilt his father bears. This guy is merely being a stupid jerk. His father was being monstrous. I can imagine that emotions surrounding a father-son bond might make it hard for him to think clearly about this, but still, he should be able to udnerstand why a lot of people do not think a lot of respect is due to bin Laden's "stature."
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:19 PM
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87. I can't even pretend to understand it...
...my father was a fucking monster and he didn't kill 3000+ people (he didn't kill any).

The biggest issue I have with the "fatwa" is that about a year ago, this little douche did a Rolling Stone interview and can also be seen on YouTube denouncing the whole Al Qaeda thing, and now that daddy is taking a dirt nap, he's looking for respect.

There's got to be some guilt...I have plenty of it, and like I said, no one in my family killed anyone.

So what is Omar's motivation? He might not even know himself...he might be talking out of his ass because the wound is still open for him.

For many of the 9/11 families, though, the wound will never close. Welcome to the bin Laden family, Omar.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:34 PM
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125. I think that some people just cannot reconcile their natural impulse to love and admire their
Edited on Thu May-12-11 05:35 PM by tblue37
parents with any realistic assessment of whether the parents deserved that much affection and respect--or any at all.

I have a friend in her late twenties whose parents are incredibly toxic. She knows it rationally and sometimes even talks about it, and occasionally she withdraws a bit from their circle of impact to protect her own sanity. But vthen she continues to talk about how "charming" her father is (he isn't!) and how "caring" her mother is (she isn't!--except in the narcissistic sense of caring deeply about herself), and usually my friend knows and says so.

Yet she still slips back into the "Oh, my wonderful parents!" mode from time to time, even in the middle of covnersation in which one is comforting her over some horrible thing one (or both) of them has (have) done to her! Once she actually got mad at a mutual friend for agreeing with a complaint she had just that moment made about them.

It is haf instinct and half Stockholm S, I think, to love and look up to one's parents. In fact, I sus
I don't blame Omar for his feeligs. I think they are inevitable, and the fact tht many people in his own cultural context reinforce his instinctive impule to love his father makes his feelings even more udnerstandable.

But he is old enough that he should know better than to flap his mouth about such feelings to the media in the Western world, where real people have been the victims of real terror perpetrated by the man he is unfortunate enought to be the son of! If he even phrased his feelings in a qualified way, acknowledging that we might not understand them because he doesn't deserve for us to feel that way, it might not seem offensive. But how incredible that he dares to chastise America for not giving "proper" respect to a man who sure as heck didn't give any respect to the manner of death and the body disposal of his victims in this country!

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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 03:45 PM
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59. I don't care.
nt
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:12 PM
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63. Omar bin Laden is an anagram for boned anal rim, so fuck him ... with a barbed wire dildo.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:20 PM
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64. Humiliating is having to decide whether to risk jumping or fire and knowing eithe4r way,
your chances are grim.

May he rot in hell with 72 male world of Warcraft obsessives.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:11 PM
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119. Hey...
I play World of Warcraft. Don't punish those guys. Those guys are my friends!
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:43 AM
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139. May he rot in hell with 72 male world of Warcraft obsessives.
okay, THAT is a bit extreme
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 04:22 PM
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65. what's humiliating is your concern, kid
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:21 PM
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67. Do I give a damn? No.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:25 PM
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68. And being incinerated in a pile of broken skyscraper rubble was somehow dignified?
:eyes:

He can just suck it up and deal with being humiliated.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:44 PM
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71. Well, I would say that just being Bin Laden and responsible for so many deaths over the years was
humiliating in itself.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 05:46 PM
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72. Break out the violins. nt
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:07 PM
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76. Mr. bin Laden, I don't give a flying f***.
Perhaps we should have dropped his body off a 100-story building, incinerated it, dropped a building on it, and pushed it out of an airplane?

Then whatever was left you can have. Asshole.
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Zanzoobar Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 07:10 PM
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77. That's gotta be a total bummer!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:45 PM
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79. For the record
bin Laden's son deplored his father's philosophy of killing and jihad.

"It's about changing the ideas of the Western mind. A lot of people think Arabs — especially the bin Ladens, especially the sons of Osama — are all terrorists. This is not the truth," Omar said last Friday at a cafe in one of Cairo's new shopping malls.

Of course, many may have a hard time getting their mind around the idea of "bin Laden: peacenik."

"Omar thinks he can be a negotiator," said Alsabah, who is trying to bring her husband to Britain. "He's one of the only people who can do this in the world."

Bin Laden son aims to be ‘ambassador of peace’
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22711392/ns/world_news-terrorism/t/bin-laden-son-aims-be-ambassador-peace/
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Zanzoobar Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 08:48 PM
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80. Yet he respects his father's record of...what...not burying people at sea?
Edited on Wed May-11-11 08:49 PM by Zanzoobar
Pfft.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:07 PM
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81. Yes, that doesn't make sense
Burial at sea is certainly permissible in Muslim tradition.

But then, you put two Muslim clerics in a room and you get 15 different interpretations of the Qura'an.
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Zanzoobar Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:28 PM
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89. It must be hard to defend such a father.
Such a thin thread.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:49 PM
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91. Indeed n/t
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Vicar In A Tutu Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:15 PM
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86. He didn't deplore it at all...
It seems as though he's suggesting that the West is dreadful whilst Osama just wants to call a truce.

Per the linked article...

Omar doesn't criticize his father and says Osama bin Laden is just trying to defend the Islamic world.

"My father thinks he will be good for defending the Arab people and stop anyone from hurting the Arab or Muslim people any place in the world," he said, noting that the West didn't have a problem with his father when he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Omar is convinced a truce between the West and al-Qaida is possible.

"My father is asking for a truce, but I don't think there is any government (that) respects him. At the same time they do not respect him, why everywhere in the world, they want to fight him? There is a contradiction," he said.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:09 PM
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82. Forcing women to wear burqas and beating them is humiliating.
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Countdown_3_2_1 Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:10 PM
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84. Well, I thought chumming the water first was a bit much...
nt
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:32 AM
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101. Eight sharks were found dead.....
...they apparently broke their own backs trying to lick their ass to get the taste of UBL out of their mouth!
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:24 PM
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88. First they came for the terrorists,
and I didn't speak out because I don't, you know, fly fucking planes into buildings.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 10:26 PM
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93. LOL! nt
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:28 AM
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96. ***
:thumbsup:
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:53 PM
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112. OK, that's a winner
:D
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:54 PM
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116. I need this on a t-shirt!
Edited on Thu May-12-11 03:54 PM by JuniperLea
Well done!

:rofl:

:applause:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-11 09:52 PM
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92. And I bet he had a couple of kids who hated his guts
So it all evens out.

Next!
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:33 AM
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97. He's making a pitch to be a "peacemaker" or some such in the Arab world nt
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:05 AM
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98. Less "humiliating" than being incinerated
turned into ash and literally ending up in the dustbin like what happened to the people in the towers. Fuck that asshole! :nopity:
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:40 AM
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102. I guess he should have urged da-da to turn himself in then, years ago

but lacking that, I guess he should feel guilt and blame himself



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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:02 AM
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103. When Achilles defeated Hector at Troy
he dragged the body behind his chariot around the walls of Troy all day long.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 08:06 AM
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104. Oh good. Another pro-death chest-thuimping thread /nt
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:40 PM
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111. As opposed to Bin Laden Jr.'s "pro life" counter arguments. n/t
n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:51 PM
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114. Admit it; you live for this stuff. Where's your argument to us "shest-thumpers"? nt
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 09:52 AM
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108. That fucking goatee is humiliating, son.
And maybe you'd prefer he been set on fire while alive and tossed off of a skyscraper.......

Just sayin'

:shrug:
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kitkat65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 09:53 AM
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109. Hey, Bin Laden Jr., try saying to the families who couldn't find their
loved ones remains from the WTC. Oh, and f**k you.

:nopity:
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 10:49 AM
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110. Hey, Omar.
You'll take the humiliation, and you'll like it.
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Change Happens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:53 PM
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115. Whatever...nt
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:15 PM
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120. Goodbye, daddy.
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:27 PM
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122. We could have buried him with the carcasses of plgs...
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 04:39 PM
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123. Well all I can say is that it's a good thing
from my POV that this guy isn't five or ten years old.

It would really be disgusting to see some of these replies directed toward a kid who expressed the same sentiments.

:(

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:31 PM
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124. It would be irresponsible, silly, and stupid of the media to care or report
such about a child that age.

This is a fully functional adult who made a really stupid statement likely knowing it would offend people. The blowback is warranted.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:02 PM
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127. Knowing it would offend people?
It's his father, FGS.


He doesn't have the luxury of being unemotionally involved.


And whether or not the media would report on such a thing said by a child, that's not the point. If there's a small child of OBL around somewhere who may think the same thing...that his father's burial at sea was humiliating, the reply would be the same thing?


"Fuck you, kid. Your dad was a murderer. I hope they wrapped him in a pigskin before they dumped him."

Etc.

Hey, I don't care what happened to OBL.

But why would anybody be nasty toward a family member he left behind, just because he expressed something not everyone would like?


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:01 PM
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130. Because he made a statement to the press, making him a public figure,
and what he said was stupid and clueless and irresponsible, maybe?

If you're going to dish it out, you best be able to take it.

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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:08 AM
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137. so....
not the slightest shred of empathy for someone who is grieving the loss of a father?

People say stupid, clueless things all the time. Is this how "civilized" human beings respond to such things?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:25 PM
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134. How about a 12 year old? I didn't see much difference in the thread
Edited on Thu May-12-11 07:28 PM by sabrina 1
about his 12 year old daughter. Her fault that she came into this world as the daughter of Bin Laden I guess, so fuck her too! There, that makes me feel good! NOT!

Sometimes I wonder how different we are from them. It's like, we are so pure! We never killed an Iraqi baby with a cluster bomb or White Phospherous or blew the fetus out of the stomach of an Iraqi mother from the air! Or blew apart whole families leaving only body parts for their loved ones to pick up? No beautiful young Iraq girls were ever raped by our soldiers, illegally occupying their country and no one can ever say we tortured, men, women and children who did nothing to us. Nor did our Generals encourage to treat those innocent people 'like dogs'.

Yeah, we are not like them! We would NEVER support a father, or a President who would kill innocent men, women and children with drones.

Would we? :eyes:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:42 PM
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126. Delusional radical chic fuckwit is delusional. More words of, um, 'wisdom" from Junior:
"My father is asking for a truce, but I don't think there is any government (that) respects him. At the same time they do not respect him, why everywhere in the world, they want to fight him? There is a contradiction," he said.


Dunno--could it be that he's responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocents, perhaps?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22711392/ns/world_news-terrorism/t/bin-laden-son-aims-be-ambassador-peace/

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TNLib Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:10 PM
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128. I guess the fact that Dad was a mass murderer is just peachy.But a burial at sea, Oh the humiliation...
nt
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 06:36 PM
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129. My dad was a "mass murderer" too
in WWII.

He drove a tank. Probably blasted lots of Germans into Kingdom Come.

By his own hand.

Which was more than what OBL did, so I hear. As far as I know, OBL only killed by proxy...through other people who killed for him...or in his name...or in the name of Allah.


If I were to complain about the cheapass, near-embarrassing "military funeral" my dad got after his death, would people say nasty vile things about him, too?




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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:16 PM
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133. I think all war is disgusting
but you're mixing apples and oranges. Equating your dad who was fighting against genocide with OBL is pretty insulting to his memory, BTW. Your dad was fighting against someone a lot like OBL (Hitler).
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:16 AM
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138. Killing is killing
And, like I pointed out, OBL never, as far as I know, actually killed anyone with his own two hands.

Neither did Hitler, for that matter.

That doesn't mean that OBL and Hitler were sympathetic figures by any means.

Just that I don't understand why people feel compelled to say cruel things to, and about, OBL's son who grieves the loss of his father and the way he was buried as if being able to overpower the minds of others is any more vile than actually killing someone with one's own two hands, war or no war.



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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:33 PM
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135. Well at the risk of upsetting the party -
I actually have some empathy for Omar. He didn't ask to be born after all, and it's not like he has condoned his father's actions. I find the hate in this thread far more vile than Omar's questions about his father's demise.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 07:38 PM
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136. Mr. Pitt's son doesn't care.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:46 AM
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140. His corpse could have been strapped to a guided missile...
...then "returned" to his people by a Predator drone.

:shrug:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:48 AM
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141. Or we could have shoved it inside the nuclear reactor for a few hours...
...before handing it back. A nice little radioactive present, perhaps.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 01:17 PM
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143. Well, cry me a river!!!!
Maybe if his daddy hadn't been intent on killing thousands of people (including many Muslims), he could have lived to a ripe old age and be properly buried.

:shrug:
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