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SoDesuKa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:37 AM Original message |
The War On Terror is Based on Legal Novelties |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
1. You say only a state can declare war, but that doesn't make it true. The same goes for others. The |
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SoDesuKa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Metaphorical Wars and Imaginary Fish |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Ya know, you simply restating your incorrect opinion again is not much more persuasive than the |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Sorry, but you're wrong. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:55 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. "Only states may declare war; this is a simple fact of international law." Link? What section and |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Can an individual declare war? Can an organization declare war? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:11 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. The question is more about whether it is legal for the government to apply the laws of war against |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. The US government cannot apply the laws of war in dealing with a non-state actor. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I know that is what you are claiming. Do you have any actual law that supports your incorrect claim? |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The UN Charter, Hague and Geneva Conventions, etc, among others. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Quote/section number that says that only states can declare war? |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:16 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I provided you with a link; it's not my problem if you're too lazy to read. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I read the whole thing. The link that you provided does not remotely say what you claim it says. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. ... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:31 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Neither of those links is a law that asserts what you claim. Just because you claim it is an |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. See various UN resolutions re Israeli actions against non-state actors for a start |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. "Conversely, can you show me anything stating that the laws of war apply to non-state actors" |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:52 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Does that mean Justin Bieber CAN declare war? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Again, the issue is whether the US can apply the laws of war in a conflict with Justin Bieber. |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Well he IS an assault on sensibilities. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Legal agreements between nations are made by nations. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. "it is ipso facto true that only nations can declare war." That is completely false. If an action is |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
22. it is based on Delusions of Grandeur and extra-legal logic preztels |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
24. The GWOT is based on congress's failure to abide by its constitutional duties. |
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