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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:54 PM
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Ron Paul: I wouldn't have killed bin Laden
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex.), who is poised to launch his presidential campaign tomorrow, said this week he would not have authorized the mission that resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden, arguing that killing bin Laden was unnecessary and that he has "respect for the rule of law."

In a radio interview with WHO Newsradio 1040, Paul told radio host Simon Conway that, had he been president, he would have pursued an alternate strategy.

"I think things would be done somewhat differently," Paul said, of how he would have handled the situation, citing "respect for the rule of law and world law and international law."

Paul says that instead of sneaking into Pakistan and killing bin Laden, he would have cooperated with the Pakistani government and put the al Qaeda leader on trial - a strategy, he argues, that has worked for the United States in the past.

"I would suggest ...the way they got Khalid Mohammed," Paul told Conway. "We went and cooperated with Pakistan. They arrested him, actually, and turned him over to us, and he's been in prison."

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20062264-503544.html
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:57 PM
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1. Has he been following our Relationship with Pakistan?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:11 PM
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23. If he hasn't, he sure as hell has no biz being prez. nt
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:58 PM
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Probably would have been put on your payroll.
I think we have worked with the Pakistani government for some time now. IMO He was well protected by them.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:58 PM
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2. How many Americans did Khalid Mohammed murder, Mr. Paul?
Another fucking false equivalence.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:08 PM
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11. He murdered 3,000 Americans. KSM = "The Architect of 9-11" (US Quote)
Game, set, match...
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:20 PM
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29. He is accused of being the actual mastermind of 9/11.
Bin Laden otoh, was never indicted for that crime because of, according to the FBI, a lack of evidence.

And before anyone grabs the smelling salts, this is a fact. There is no mention of 9/11 on OBL'S most wanted page, which has been explained by the FBI as I said above.

Bin Laden is on the Most Wanted list for other terrorist attacks for which, apparently the US does have evidence since he has been indicted for those crimes.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:28 PM
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45. Way to not know wtf you're talking about.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:58 PM
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3. Doesn't this asshole ever shut up?
He is perilously close to being mentally ill.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 12:59 PM
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4. Why would Paul kill someone who he is paying
to attack places so he can justify war?
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:01 PM
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5. Of course Pakistan would have cooperated.
We should have just asked them nicely. They'd have immediately turned over OBL to us for a nice, normal trial in Manhattan because Pakistan is our totally cooperative and totally trustworthy ally.

Right.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:02 PM
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6. Does Ron Paul read DU? n/t
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TimLighter Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:03 PM
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7. Ron Paul follows @mmflint? Who would have thought that?
n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:05 PM
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8. Another naive Republican, I fear...
Why does he think Pakistan would turn over Bin Laden? Just because they helped capture KSM does not mean they would do the same with OBL...
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:06 PM
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9. No, he would have let the free market take care of it.
Goober.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:08 PM
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10. I sure hope Ron Paul keeps digging hole before his announcement.
:shrug:
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:23 PM
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30. With the Koch's help....
....he can bring in a power shovel.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:09 PM
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12. So now it's only permissible for Ron Paul "nutcases" to feel this way, not good DUers?
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poli_ticks Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:27 PM
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32. I think it's totally permissible. Folks here are just knee-jerking.
Whatever Paul is for, they're against, and whatever Obama is for, they're for. At least as far as initial reactions go. With a bit of time some of them will rethink their positions.

Stick to your guns and stay true to your principles and ideology, no matter what positions others might take.

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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:11 PM
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13. Of course not - Republicans LOVED bin Laden - he was their boogie man.
BE AFRAID!!! It is PATRIOTIC to abandon your Constitutional rights. LOOK OVER THERE! Oops, false alarm. Get naked, bend over and prepare to be probed.

That's what they depend on.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:11 PM
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14. You should have given that advice to your party a decade ago.
News flash- Obama's plan worked- your party's plan did not.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:42 PM
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34. Paul was always against his party's Foreign Policies. So, he's
not saying anything he hasn't always said. Of course back then, he was loved by the left as he was the only Republican who attacked Bush and his gang on a regular basis. Now, times have changed.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:59 PM
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39. Yes. Paul is famous for bringing his party's crimes to light. He always was.
Edited on Thu May-12-11 03:26 PM by Dr Fate
He is just more famous for it now, that's all.

Times have not changed for this lefty at all- he was a GOP "Good Cop" then and that is what he still is. He still gets all the benefits for everthing the "bad cops" do, even he if he does give diff. ideas some lip service...

If Paul REALLY is opposed to GOP FP, then WTF is he doing in the GOP? Considering the trillions the have wasted on said FP policy, it's probably the most far reaching, all encompassing issue they have.

No, Paul is either a liar, a hypocrite, or both. If he truly opposes the past 50 years of GOP style FP, then he should switch to DEM or become an indy.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:43 PM
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15. easy to say when you'll never be in that position. he has a snowball's chance
of ever being the nominee, must less winning the presidency. great position to be in for all sorts of bullshit pronouncements -the peanut gallery.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:06 PM
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19. What I don't get is why this is a bullshit point of view or confined to Ron Paul. n/t
:shrug:
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:17 PM
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27. because Ron Paul specializes in preaching from his soapbox on the sidelines
where he will never have to deal with anything for reals. do you think someone like him will ever get elected? i don't. i am not saying i agree or disagree with his premise, he just comes off as an arrogant blowhard to me. i dont believe for a ssecond that he could do ANY of the big sweeping changes that he goes on about even if he WAS president. he wasn't there when the seals entered the compound, how does he know they didn't feel threatened? how does he know pakistan would cooperate with him? he lives in a fantasy world where he is a superhero. like most politicians.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:24 PM
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31. N.B. Ron Paul opposed the Iraq War and Operation Shocking
and Awful.

But he has quite a checkered past when it comes to race relations and has, IIRC, made several comments that only the most dull-witted would not see as blatantly racist. Sorry I don't have the relevant citations at hand, but there have been numerous DU threads about Paul's racism.

Result: every time I'm tempted by Ron Paul's view on foreign policy (which mesh fairly closely with my own), I'm repelled by his antediluvian views on domestic matters. And don't even get me started on Paul's crackpot monetarist theories about the Federal Reserve.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:15 PM
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40. exactly. he will never get anywhere because his views are so out there. he's
Edited on Thu May-12-11 03:16 PM by NC_Nurse
right on a few issues, like legalizing drugs and ending foreign wars and hegemony. his domestic ideas are batshit and would entail closing all govt depts like education, hhs, epa, etc.

he's an extremist.

edit for typo
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ikri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 01:51 PM
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16. He wouldn't have needed to
Bin Laden would have died from laughter as Ron Paul described his macroeconomic beliefs.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:02 PM
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17. Paul is a FRUIT CAKE......Monday guessing is not allowed in the CLASS DIV
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:05 PM
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18. BTW, Bin Laden Would Have Been an Ayn Rand Super Hero n/t
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:10 PM
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22. They're already similar in one respect


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:15 PM
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26. Scarily true. nt
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:07 PM
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20. Dear Ron Paul: You would and will never be POTUS, have fun playing pretend.
Edited on Thu May-12-11 02:07 PM by PeaceNikki
Luv,
me
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:09 PM
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21. Evidently, Ron Paul
forgot about his own bizarre resolution: September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001 (PDF)

<...>

SEC. 3. AUTHORITY OF PRESIDENT.

(a) The President of the United States is authorized and requested to commission, under officially issued letters of marque and reprisal, so many of privately armed and equipped persons and entities as, in his judgment, the service may require, with suitable instructions to the leaders thereof, to employ all means reasonably necessary to seize outside the geographic boundaries of the United States and its territories the person and property of Osama bin Laden, of any al Qaeda co-conspirator, and of any conspirator with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda who are responsible for the air piratical aggressions and depredations perpetrated upon the United States of America on September 11, 2001, and for any planned future air piratical aggressions and depredations or other acts of war upon the United States of America and her people.

(b) The President of the United States is authorized to place a money bounty, drawn in his discretion from the $40,000,000,000 appropriated on September 14, 2001, in the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Recovery from and Response to Terrorists Attacks on the United States or from private sources, for the capture, alive or dead, of Osama bin Laden or any other al Qaeda conspirator responsible for the act of air piracy upon the United States on September 11, 2001, under the authority of any letter of marque or reprisal issued under this Act.

(c) No letter of marque and reprisal shall be issued by the President without requiring the posting of a security bond in such amount as the President shall determine is sufficient to ensure that the letter be executed according to the terms and conditions thereof.

Ron Paul isn't anti-war, he's anti government. He would support mercenaries and pirates if he could.

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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:12 PM
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25. Wouldn't letters of Marque work better in this case?
I bet you they'd have brought 'im in alive for questioning.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:29 PM
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33. You are probably one of only a few DUers who know what
Letters of Marque are. I thought they went out of style in the 18th century, with the demise of the Barbary Coast Pirates?

According to Wikipedia, Paul actually introduced legislation after 9-11 calling for use of Letters of Marque but the legislation died still born.
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:12 PM
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24. Of course not. He wouldn't have FOUND bin Laden nt
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:45 PM
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35. +1
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:18 PM
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28. Yeah. No shit.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:46 PM
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36. who cares really...
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:53 PM
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37. So NOW he has "respect for international law"
I thought the RW'ers greatest FEAR was the imposition of international law in the USA!
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 02:56 PM
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38. And now instead of appealing to 7% of the Repug base and 3% of the general population
He will now appeal to 3.5% of the Repug base and 1.5% of the general population.

Goodbye Ron.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:17 PM
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41. Thanks, Ron. That statement will come in handy (to bite you) next year. nt
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:20 PM
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42. Have a PaulNut neighbor who has been using an OBL pic for an archery practice bulls eye for 10 years
I plan on asking him about this to watch his head explode.

Don
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:25 PM
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43. Refreshing to see some common sense once in a while.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 03:27 PM
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44. We saw the GOP's brand of "common sense" FP for 8 years.
Edited on Thu May-12-11 03:28 PM by Dr Fate
And none of it included bagging Bin Laden.

Common sense? More like Monday morning quarterbacking or just the plain old "Good Cop" routine.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-11 05:10 PM
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46. I got the impression most Republicans agreed with how the President handled the Bin Laden thing.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 02:14 PM
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49. And I got the impression that most Republicans, including Paul, were Butt-boys for Bush.
Edited on Fri May-13-11 02:16 PM by Dr Fate
I'm sure Paul at least agreed with how Bush handled things too, even if it did not always jibe w/ his "Good Cop" persona.

Sorry- but the time to get out the megaphone and talk about how wrong the GOP is-that time was while they were destroying the world, not after the fact, while hoping to defeat the Democrat.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:36 AM
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47. ..
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 08:37 AM
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48. "In short, I would have let Bin Laden escape again". n/t
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