I'm not sure I believe the Bin Laden "porn" story?

Because we are in the midst of a propaganda war in an attempt to keep the Taliban and others from making him a martyr. The more flaws we can show, the better for our side.

Just saying. Sometimes you have to look at these type of stories with a degree of skepticism. It may be true. It may not be true. Show us the pictures.

believe it. It seems like disinformation.

Bin Laden had the same problem I have.

He spent too much time jerking-off to get anything done.

"We will crush the infidels and burn their-- ooh, is that a DOUBLE dong?"

AND may I add.

I LIKE YOU!

:toast: :hi: :fistbump:

Not sure what to think. Wouldn't surprise me either way.

Objectification of women is a relatively common cultural phenomenon in the Middle East, as it is here. It is just expressed differently here in the West. To my knowledge, Bin Laden was no saint ...

Trav

Good to "see" ya.

Trav

:hi:

I really don't understand the skepticism around here.

The "leader" lived high on the hog, while his followers lived in poverty.

Plus, OBL was well versed with western culture.

Can they not connect the dots?

incriminating pictures of Arabs and tried blackmail with them. But the Arabs that they did this with, us, the USA, actually asked for copies to send to their friends. They don't see this as a weakness. They see fucking around as a sign of their virility. Therefore, having porn wouldn't surprise me at all.

is that 'objectification', too?

Humans tend to objectify other humans. I do it. As near as I know, everyone does it at least every once in a while. It's not a particularly good thing, but is often mostly harmless. But if taken to an extreme it can become problematic.

Trav

used by people who want to distinguish the things that turn them on -- o.k. --- from the things that turn 'those other people' on --- i.e. bad.

Objectification is a well understood cognitive process. Perhaps gravity is a bs term used by people to explain why they can't flap their arms and fly.

Trav

Please, references. What neurologists, for instance, believe that 'objectification' is a 'well understood cognitive process'?

I do realize that in the circles where the "patriarchal male gaze" is considered an axiomatic concept it may be a 'well understood cognitive process', but I'd like to see, for instance, the Scientific American article on it. Or whatever you've got.

This guy was a demented thug, he was no holy man.

He had nothing to do with true Islam, and didn't even deserve the courtesy of his funeral that was so graciously given by Obama.

as it turns out, the stories about his younger "playboy" years were false

there were no playboy years

he was just a man.

So far this week, we had the 'new Al Queda leader', Hashiri, described as a 'dark horse' a 'charismatic figure' who is plotting and planning all sorts of nefarious deeds in Pakistan. Major US news media informed us that he would probably be the replacement for Bin Laden.

Only problem is, he's dead. The same US media reported his death in a drone strike two years ago. Or maybe not. Who knows?

Then there was the story about Bin Laden's life. In the first sentence we are told he is a 'Yemeni national'. But two sentences down we are told he is a Saudi National.

Otoh, why would it be a shock if it WAS true? Sometimes I think this stuff is written by teenage boys.

...that it's good propaganda AND true?

I don't find it difficult to believe Bin Laden wasn't the infallible righteous warrior he claimed to be. Most of the religious zealots in our country turn out to be hypocrites too.

Sorry, I don't care how big the "mansion" is, that doesn't pass the smell test. ;)

Cult leaders never live by the rules they set down. Why would BinLaden be different?

Is there some new photo that has been released showing it?

and one can only watch so much CNN. I think its possible and don't feel it strange or unusual for him to have had porn.

It's entirely irrelevant.Osama is dead. Good riddance to him.

You have to google it and stuff.

Jus' sayin'

Dirty old man.

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Foiled again! :-)

whether it's true or not doesn't really make a difference.

While it may be true, there is no reason to believe it (and it's likely unprovable). Probably disinformation courtesy of the Psyops folks, but no evidence either way. So it's not worth any of the attention the media are giving it.

and I would also believe if they said it was the sickest shit ever created. I mean stuff that makes German porn look like regular sex.

What are the chances that this porn thing is a secret US plot that if uncovered would cause untold embarrassment?

What are the chances that OBL is one of the 99.7% of men that watch digital porn?

Sorry, probability goes to the latter.

Marijuana found growing nearby, check.
A stash of porn on the computer, check.
Herbal viagra, check.
Hated American foreign policy, check.
Sending out tons of messages on the internets, check.

Are we sure this guy wasn't a regular DU'er?

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To help deflect criticism of his killing and to discredit him among his own followers.

Dude, if this is disinformation, it isn't the way to go about it. He will sound like just another guy except the killing part. I'm not sure if that is good or bad.

OBL, if he wasn't a killer, I'd like to have a beer with him? bush in a turban.

We just haven't heard about them yet.

Shit, throw in some energy drinks and they would recruit more teenagers then the military.

I'd put the odds at about 95%. It would surprise me if they didn't find porn.

the other 5% lie about it.

It's probably true.

Scanning channels to watch footage of "himself" yearning for "the good old days" when his buddy GWB was Pres (on a crappy CRT tube TV no less)

The porn stash to fill in the hours, when he cannot watch "himself" on TV -- is not that much of a stretch IMO

Pathetic? yes. Totally expected? yes.

Contrived? I am not so sure--sounds like a garden variety right winged religious leader to me!

the U.S. government reported that OBL's house had no internet service. But the porn allegedly recovered was digital high-def stuff? OK, so how did OBL or his people get it into the mansion without an internet connection? I mean, I know they could have brought it in on CDs or flash drives, but please, the government is really stretching ingenuity to its limits.-0

Smells like psy-ops to me and pretty inept at that.

A high percentage of religious right politicians get caught with their pants down. I think self repression does this to a man. Your brain is one thing, your hormones are another.

Do you ever stick more than your toe in the water?

When I first heard it, I thought it was something leaked by the intelligence community to undermine Osama bin Laden to his cohorts in a shocking way that would make them reconsider their affiliation with that community, as opposed to retaliating for his sudden demise.

Osama was just another hypocrite preacher with the extra bonus of being a successful warmonger to boot.

next they'll try to tell me he whacked off to the stuff. Who could possibly believe THAT?!

It would have been far weirder if he HADN'T had porn.

It's two universally degrading, too convenient. But who knows. Very nice work lately on your
part.

they get good porn from their american friends in the CIA. Your tax dollars at work.

FOIA twenty years from now, though, they'll all say "I knew it was a planted story..."

Of course there is a bizarre, off-chance this is somehow a true story, but any sane person would question this story. It reeks of "pulling babies out of incubators".

when I first read it.

the fact that he had pron would elevate his status among most American males.

I say this because of an interview I saw on the National Evening News (CBS, I believe) with a young soldier in Iraq circa 2007. He was asked what he missed most about being away from home.

And do you know what he said? His wife, mother, girlfriend, friends, cheeseburgers, air conditioning, hot showers, home-cooking, his pet, his truck, to sleep in a real bed????? No.

He stood there and said, "I really miss my pron."

I nearly fell off my chair. It is etched in my brain....watching this guy in full uniform, out in the desert, carrying some huge gun and he says, "I really miss my pron."

I couldn't believe that CBS had AIRED THIS. It wasn't live, of course.

My opinion of our 'culture' dissolved into a pathetic little pool of sewage at that point. It was a Tipping Point for me.

At times like that I hope the Mayans and Hopis are correct....it all goes POOF in 2012....sooner if we're lucky. And with the Radiation Soup heading our way, maybe it will.

And for the record: If the gov't says ANYTHING, I have major doubts. For all we know OBL has been dead for years. Seriously.

ETA: I spell it that way so not attract those googling for it. I've got enough wackos around me IRL, don't you? Pron has made our 'culture' much cruel toward women. Now for 'pile-on.' My finger is on the Ignore Button.

He had weapons, he didn't have weapons, he used his wife as a shield he didn't use his wife as a shield, it wasn't his wife, there was a firefight, there wasn't a firefight... Hey here's some porn!

Gimme a break. Kill the guy announce he's dead and fucking move on, the shoot was justified why the need to extrapolate? All it does is cause arguments.

Badly.

...since the Gulf of Tonkin and the murder of JFK.

whitehouse.gov IS a propaganda site,
no matter WHO sits in the Oval Office.

It is no coincidence that the Handbook for Marginalizing Anyone
begins with Step One:
Step 1) Connect your target with pornography, especially Kiddie Porn.

I don't know whether Osama liked porn.
I simply don't trust the source of that information.

No reason to.

Why would anyone think such a thing??

Was it the White House that broke this story?? I thought it might have been broken by intelligence?

Just saying.

Can you give me one good reason?

And that's not a slam against you, Kentuck. Of course this is newsworthy to DU, because once word got out about it, it naturally becomes a major topic of discussion all over America.

I just question why it has to be a major topic of discussion in the first place. :shrug: Seriously, why is anyone's sex life (or lack of it) anyone else's business?

As for people feeling justified being scandalized because "Bin Laden was a hypocrite," I don't buy that, because 9/11 didn't happen because he hated America for its pornography. :crazy:

But manipulation of lies by either side is important and when people believe it, it is doubly important. Propaganda is not always true but sometimes it is.

Out of all the data they've analyzed thus far, one of the first pieces of data to emerge publicly is about OBL's porn? Why even release that info, but to further vilify the evilest of men? It does nothing to reassure or inform the American public about anything substantive. It's a diversion, salacious celebrity gossip, the E! of politics.

He was a mass-murdering jihadist who insisted woman cover head/eyes to toe in public.
I would almost expect sexual deviancy in that porn, likely physical abuse of women.

they were mercenaries.