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hypocrisyandlies Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:45 PM
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OBL and Facebook
Now that some of the furor over Osama's death has died down, I wanted to share something I saw on Facebook a lot right after it happened. "The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.-Psalm 58:10" The posters were all super religious conservatives.

This seems to me to be the exact kind of thinking that brought us 9/11 in the first place. Who decides who is wicked and who decides who is righteous? If you had asked Osama himself, he would have said that he was doing the world a great favor by attacking the wicked Americans.

(Side note before people get mad at me: I don't really care if you were happy to see the man die or not. I don't care if you are religious or not. I'm just saying, don't use this quote as a justification for your happiness. To me it just shows that you share a terrorist mentality.)
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:52 PM
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1. But extreme Christian religious folks are pure good
Its only evil muslims who can be terrorist.:sarcasm: Extremist religions are the most dangerous thing humanity will ever face.
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hypocrisyandlies Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 10:59 PM
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2. Agreed.
:thumbsup:
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:03 PM
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3. Yea, it's all the same. NOT
Sick of people who equate Christian right wing with Muslim jihadists blowing people up every other day.
You are only kidding yourself.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:06 PM
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4. You don't think Right wing Christian extremists are capable of murdering Innocent people?
How about you tell that to George Tiller's family?
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:37 AM
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11. They always recite Old Testament Passages?
If the are Christians, why don't they ever quote the STAR of the New Testament? The Man who puts the Christ in Christian Himself, Jesus.
If you believe the Jesus story or not, His philosophies were earth shattering.
He taught love, forgiveness and compassion.

If they are not Jews, they should STFU with the Old Testament meanie-gods.
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:52 PM
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10. Yeah, people on FB are JUST like bin Laden, those fuckers.
Lol.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:22 PM
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5. I never saw that post even once ...
Not until you introduced it here, just now ...

Just who do you hang out with, anyways ? .... What kind of vicious people do you associate yourself with so that you might see such references in your FB stream ?

What an unsavory lot they are ....

(side note: There is no side note ... )
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hypocrisyandlies Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 08:12 AM
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15. The first few times I saw it
as a response on someone else's post using the fake Martin Luther King Jr. quote or another one from the bible saying something about not rejoicing when an enemy falls. I assume that the rest of them got it from each other. Mostly it was people that I knew from high school that have friended me on Facebook that posted it.

As to why you never saw it... I can't say. Maybe you are more selective in your friends than I am. Or maybe most people reacted to the quote the same way I did and it didn't get passed around a lot.

This is my favorite :sarcasm: thing about DU. How quick everyone is to pick a fight. That would be why I added the side note that you were so quick to mock me for.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:34 PM
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6. Here is an example of Christian reaction to 'desecration of a host' ....
During the civil war waged between Adolph of Nassau and Albrecht of Austria, claimants for the imperial crown of Germany, bloody persecutions of the Jews broke out. A report was spread that the Jewish inhabitants of the little town of Röttingen had desecrated a host. Rindfleisch, a nobleman of that place, pretending to have received a mission from heaven to avenge this desecration and to exterminate "the accursed race of the Jews," gathered a mob around him and burned the Jews of Röttingen at the stake (April 20, 1298). Under his leadership the mob went from town to town, killing all the Jews that fell into their power, save those who accepted Christianity. The great community of Würzburg was entirely annihilated (July 24).

The Jews of Nuremberg sought refuge in the fortress. Being attacked, they defended themselves, but, although assisted by humane Christian citizens, they were overpowered and butchered (Aug. 1). Among the victims was Mordecai ben Hillel, a pupil of Jehiel ben Asher, with his wife and children. In Bavaria the congregations of Ratisbon and Augsburg—and they alone—escaped the slaughter, owing to the protection granted them by the magistrates.

The persecutions spread from Franconia and Bavaria to Austria, and within six months about 120 congregations, numbering 100,000 Jews, were swept away. The end of the civil war, following the death of Adolph of Nassau, terminated these persecutions and delivered the Jews from further fear.


Read more: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=301&letter=R#ixzz1MIWhBaoe

(side note: The 'read more' link was added automatically by the website from which I extracted this text .... I didn't add it, though I was going to .... fascinating ....)
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:50 PM
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8. St Bartholomew's Day ....
Edited on Fri May-13-11 11:58 PM by Trajan
St Bartholomew's Day Massacre - France 1572 - Up to 30,000 killed ......

From Wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_Massacre

-snip-

The attempted assassination of Coligny triggered the crisis that led to the massacre. Admiral de Coligny was the most respected Huguenot leader and enjoyed a close relationship with the king, although he was distrusted by the king's mother. Aware of the danger of reprisals from the Protestants, the king and his court visited Coligny on his sickbed and promised him that the culprits would be punished. While the Queen Mother was eating dinner, Protestants burst in to demand justice, some talking in menacing terms.<13> Fears of Huguenot reprisals grew. Coligny's brother-in-law led a 4,000-strong army camped just outside Paris<14> and, although there is no evidence it was planning to attack, Catholics in the city feared it might take revenge on the Guises or the city populace itself. That evening, Catherine held a meeting at the Tuileries Palace with her Italian advisers, including Albert de Gondi, Comte de Retz. On the evening of 23 August, Catherine went to see the king to discuss the crisis. Though no details of the meeting survive, Holt speculates that Charles IX and his mother took the decision to eliminate the Protestant leaders, perhaps "between two and three dozen noblemen" who were still in Paris.<15> Other historians are reluctant to speculate on the composition or size of the group of leaders targeted at this point, beyond the few obvious heads. Most potential candidates were accompanied by groups of gentlemen as staff and bodyguards like Coligny; so, each killing of a leader could have been expected to involve killing these as well.

Shortly after this decision, the municipal authorities of Paris were summoned. They were ordered to shut the city gates and to arm the citizenry in order to prevent any attempt at a Protestant uprising. The king's Swiss Guard was given the task of killing a list of leading Protestants. It is difficult today to determine the exact chronology of events and to know the moment the killing began. It seems a signal was given by ringing bells for matins (between midnight and dawn) at the church of Saint-Germain l'Auxerrois, near the Louvre, which was the parish church of the kings of France. Before this, the Swiss guards had expelled the Protestant nobles from the Louvre palace and then slaughtered them in the streets.

A group led by Guise in person dragged Admiral Coligny from his bed, killed him, and threw his body out of the window. Huguenot nobles in the building had first put up a fight.<16> The tension that had been building since the Peace of St. Germain now exploded in a wave of popular violence. The common people began to hunt Protestants throughout the city, including women and children. Chains were used to block streets so that Protestants could not escape from their houses. The bodies of the dead were collected in carts and thrown into the Seine. The massacre in Paris lasted three days despite the king's attempts to stop it. Among the slain were the composer Claude Goudimel and the philosopher Petrus Ramus. Holt concludes that "while the general massacre might have been prevented, there is no evidence that it was intended by any of the elites at court," listing a number of cases where Catholic courtiers intervened to save individual Protestants who were not in the leadership.<17>

The two leading Huguenot princes, Henry of Navarre and his cousin the Prince of Condé (respectively aged 19 and 20), were spared as they pledged to convert to Catholicism; both would renounce their conversions when they had escaped Paris. <18>

On August 26, the king and court established the official version of events by going to the Paris Parlement. "Holding a lit de justice, Charles declared that he had ordered the massacre in order to thwart a Huguenot plot against the royal family."<19> A jubilee celebration, including a procession, was then held, while the killings continued in parts of the city.<20>



Etc etc .. et al .... same ole same ole ....
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PotatoChip Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:47 PM
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7. Alerting. Why the F do these conversations
keep popping up in here like some sort of fungus? Please get a room. Oh wait-
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:52 AM
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14. What rule has been violated?
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-11 11:52 PM
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9. Pretty easy dude. OBL = wicked. There you go.
You're welcome.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:41 AM
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12. Yes...the never ending cycle of murder...courtesy of religion.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-11 01:47 AM
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13. People really need to stop using verse numbers as an invitation to isolate lines from their context.
Psalm 58 reads as follows:

1 Do you rulers indeed speak justly?
Do you judge people with equity?
2 No, in your heart you devise injustice,
and your hands mete out violence on the earth.

3 Even from birth the wicked go astray;
from the womb they are wayward, spreading lies.
4 Their venom is like the venom of a snake,
like that of a cobra that has stopped its ears,
5 that will not heed the tune of the charmer,
however skillful the enchanter may be.

6 Break the teeth in their mouths, O God;
LORD, tear out the fangs of those lions!
7 Let them vanish like water that flows away;
when they draw the bow, let their arrows fall short.
8 May they be like a slug that melts away as it moves along,
like a stillborn child that never sees the sun.

9 Before your pots can feel the heat of the thorns—
whether they be green or dry—the wicked will be swept away.
10 The righteous will be glad when they are avenged,
when they dip their feet in the blood of the wicked.
11 Then people will say,
“Surely the righteous still are rewarded;
surely there is a God who judges the earth.”



The psalm is talking about cruel rulers and their fate.
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