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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:17 AM Original message |
Ron Paul suggests basic freedoms depend on property rights |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. The civil rights act didn't end property rights. |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
2. He can say he is not a racist, but that doesn't mean he isn't /nt |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
3. Once again we have the "I'm not a racist but....." |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. He's anti-choice too but I guess if he SAYS he isn't I could support him! |
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F Bastiat (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
4. The" right to life" entails property rights...he's right about that. |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
5. The right to vote used to be based on property rights, too. |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
6. The bigger your bank account, the more freedoms you have |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. or the more stuff you own, the more rights you should have . . . |
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F Bastiat (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. No, the more stuff you own, the more fun you should have... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
8. Libertarian retrofitting |
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Volaris (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. argue back with this.... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. All 'rights' are alienable, they are the creation of society |
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F Bastiat (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Rights are a "creation of society?" What country are you from? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. So inform me.... |
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F Bastiat (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Well, my friend, ever since the Age of Enlightenment, western society, and in particular, the US, |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. That is not true. |
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verges (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Wrong. And in fact backwards. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I know the US was founded on that assumption. |
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verges (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Not exactly. |
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F Bastiat (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. My friend, you have some reading to catch up on. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. I've read the Declaration before. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. +1 |
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Mr. Jefferson (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 08:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. That was akin to challenging the conventional wisdom which holds that 2 + 2 =4. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. I disagree. |
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Mr. Jefferson (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. It took thousands of years of philosophical evolution to establish the idea |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 04:03 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. While I think you make a good point, just because a government limits |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. This assumes you had the "rights" before they were taken from you. |
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Volaris (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I say yes they do, and heres why I think that... |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Absolutely yes. Those rights exist prior to and above anything a government |
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enough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
9. A great thinker. (nt) |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
10. Did he say property owners should be the only ones allowed to vote? |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 08:54 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Paul: only property owners should enjoy *any* rights |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
12. So is it any surprise to anyone that Father and Son see eye-to-eye on the matter |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
14. A flaw in his argument.. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Libertarians would probably do away with zoning because it "impinges on their freedom".... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. But society, the citizens, have democratically decided... |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Tell them that....to libertarians, it is all about the individual. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. They can believe what they want... |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
19. What does he not get? Businesses that serve the public cannot discriminate. |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
23. So his platform is property rights to discriminate but no right to choose for women |
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nolabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
25. When I was a kid in Mississippi my grandparents owned a cafe. |
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verges (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Good story.. Thank-you for sharing this. nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. interesting, thanks. |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Thats a great point I hadn't thought of |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
34. Well, at least he is consistent, nt. |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
42. The fuck? |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
45. Freedom for the ruling class maybe. . . |
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