I was looking through the porn thread and noticed that not many women own up to "enjoying" it

why do you suppose that is?

I'm not into porn myself, btw.

for starters.

I'm still wondering where that came from :shrug:

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I'm waiting.

or that it doesn't feature themes of domination and violence against them?

I'm waiting.

doesn't do it at all.

It's weird to paint it all with one brush.

a $57 BILLION DOLLAR A YEAR ORGANIZED INDUSTRY --

with absolutely NO equalivent on the male side --

In fact, men know that if anything like this was being shown depicting them

in such a way they'd be in full rebellion aqainst it --

Men more than anyone understand the power of the put down!!

are you saying that the men in porn aren't being depicted like whores? Maybe I've only seen the milder stuff, but to me, both sexes seemed to be depicted as just doing whatever it took to get off, with no regard to emotional connections, consequences, morality, etc.

I know there's some really, really horrible stuff out there. But to me, the garden variety stuff portrays everyone as a whore.

The definition of pornography is based on woman as "whore" or "harlot" --

I'd suggest you watch the Gail Dines video describing some of the general stuff that's

on the internet -- she she describes generally in the in the second half or so of her

video presentation --


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5003155114018800220#




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Now, you pose an interesting question re males --

why not run a poll and ask them if they feel like "harlots" or "prostitutes" when

they watch porn?

Or wheteher they consider the males consorting with them to also be "whores" or

"harlots" or "prostitutes" -- ?

And, then, maybe ask why they get pleasure from seeing both males and females debased?

When I think of oppressed minorities, Jenna Jameson ain't the first name that comes to mind.

As we all know from interviews, many of these females have been raped at early ages

or as teenagers --

Gail Dines has an interesting video on this subject --

I'll try to ad the link in case you're interested in what's really going on --


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5003155114018800220#

It's like the sound of one hand fwapping

We're still waiting.

Just like grade school, getting picked last for kickball. :)

I think it is up to homosexuals to discuss gay porn --

has nothing to do with my comments --

I'm talking about hetero porn --

And, again, are you trying to deny the abuse of women in hetero porn?

The themes of domination and violence?

Oh, you're serious?

Even funnier.

I suspect there are biological wiring issues at play.

Oh come on!!!! :rofl:

do tennis shoes count? :)

They never go out of style, and they're maybe $35 a pair. Only problem is the lack of ankle support.

'Course, I'm one of those guys who finds a shirt he likes and then buys five of them. Why make it complicated? :shrug:

:rofl:

Shit, I hope not. That was fucked up.

he owned about several identical suits/sets of clothes.

said that way he didn't have to worry about deciding what to wear each day.

he quoted, I think, Einstein for giving him that idea :)

that one is sure one likes.

I am a guy like you in fashion.

When I was a Fed, I had a uniform and badge worn for special occasions (was informally reprimanded often for not wearing uniform enough) but usually wore Levi's and cotton khaki or "hickory" shorts; and, post MBA when I worked in corporate mgmt consulting/finance, I had blue blazers and khaki pants and several high priced suits for "special occasions"; but preferred black Levi's, black leather jacket, and ironed cotton shirts for field work, casual office work, and socializing. I kept several suits and professionally laundered and starched shirts in a closet at the office and for meetings on business trips.

When started college at Cal nearly 40 years ago age 21, would wear hickory shirts, stagged Levi's, and barefoot, tennis shoes, or White boots and did not own formal attire and was prone to cut-offs and tie-dyed and other T-shirts in off time.

Used to joke about the blue and white striped cotton shirts as "dress hickories" when in corporate America (few will get this).

Now I am a LL Bean, Levi/Docker, and t-short hippy and am too fat for my formal business attire from my 20s to 40s.

But the trick learned is that when one finds an article of clothing one likes, buy multiples. Plus my preference is natural fiber.

Women do enjoy porn, although its not usually made for them, so why would they enjoy it? When they do it's called "erotica". And many men have more than three pairs of shoes if they can afford them.

I was sort of kidding about the shoes, but only sort of. I don't know too many men who have more pairs than their wife. I sure don't.

How about slippers?

"women do enjoy porn" but "it's not usually made for them"

Why do you think that would be? The porn industry has an interest in convincing men to watch porn but is willingly giving up on over half the population?

Or is it that less porn is made for women because they are, in general, less interested in it?

Generally speaking if something is legal and has no limitations on it's production a lack of supply is due to a lack of demand.

Men like to look; women like to hear (or read about). Porn for men is mostly pictures; porn aimed at women is mostly stories. Think about that next time you go to a used book store that is overflowing with old Playboy magazines and romance novels.

:rofl:

whatever the other trendy sneakers are/were.

:just scratching head:

I think that most women are not really into it. Women are usually more turned on by the physical and not the visual.

It seems to be a "guy thing".

Instead of surfin for it

:shrug:

:hide:

:rofl:

That's not it...!

I know a lot of women who like porn and they own up to it. Are they an anomaly? Most likely not, as they cut across all social boundaries.

I find it boring.

I have tried to watch it but after a while it just all seems to run together!

I was bored after a little while. They need a little more in the way of plot and/or romance.

Somebody once told me that women make love with their minds, men with their bodies. :shrug: Seems like a bit of a generalization, but I think there is a kernel of truth there.

No sensuality, no hightened tension, no delays. Just BAM! And it's all the same. The only thing I'm thinking about the few times I've watched that crap is "god only knows what sick disease they're transferring to each other." Blekh.

You want hot? Jennifer Lopez and George Clooney in "Out of Sight" as they passionately give in to each other. Or Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Grey in "Dirty Dancing" as they erotically dance alone as he carasses her body and she gently kisses his chest. God....:smoke:

because the sex seems so perfunctory--I used to joke that I never watched it because my sex life was more exciting, although that's sadly not the case right now.

Besides, I hate the fake oooh and ahhh and mmmm of it all. The constant moaning is repulsive to me.

Even if it isn't offensive, it gets boring after a few consecutive sex scenes.
One of my husband's male aquaintances talked about watching porn for a few hours per day. I didn't quite understand how that could continue to be interesting, let alone simulating.

i have a friend that's a porn freak. he has never had a relationship that lasted more than a few years because he views women as objects.

to discuss what trips our trigger, or what doesn't, on a public board? ;)

Except that my wife and more than one of my earlier (pre marriage) partners told me that they were taught, basically, to loathe their own sex parts, that they were somehow ugly and unclean.....so they hate looking at them,

It could be the acceptance in this society to be verbally abusive of others by referring to others with names for thos parts - "pussy" "c_nt"........etc.etc.....so the pejorative - the outright misogyny of those terms - pushes viewing thier parts to discomfort -

Or it could be the basic cutesy male researcher's argument that men are more visual and women are more cerebral......

Could be the filming of most of the porn out there, the professional stuff - which I simply loathe because of the asinine level to which it aspires.....

Or a combination....

For the record, for me, the porn that works is couples who film themselves, on an amateur level - there is an element of familiararity and - dare I say it - love - that works.

But, as usual, YMMV.

If you are a woman who is not into women - the focus, the camera work, editing & the male actors would probably be very different.

I'm sure a porn can be created that is enjoyable for both - but money hasn't been put into it.

I mean, look at the market for something like Playgirl Magazine. I don't think most women work that way.

How often do you see a guy in a speedo selling cosmetics?

I don't think our desires are constantly being programmed by external sources. Do you? If women en masse wanted to see more naked dudes, there would be a market for it.

I'm not sure women are behind that

It's not that difficult to, say, get on Brett Farve's speed-dial.

We could start a poll here, with pics.

Probably end up in the lounge though

:-)

The whole MSM these days is filled with ugly guy actors paired with beautiful actresses.

Us women have nothing to look at! :cry:

I always, always do a double-take.

Most women didn't want to be SEEN looking at naked guys either through the mail or over the counter.

Women can & do enjoy looking @ naked guys context, though, is everything.

Deliver a product that suits & it will probably sell.

For women - anonymity would probably be important - & that's as much to do w/ men as anything else.

Increasingly, mainstream media corporations profit as well. Hugh Hefner and Flynt had to fight to gain respectability within the halls of capitalism, but today many of the pornography profiteers are big corporations. Through ownership of cable distribution companies and Internet services, the large companies that distribute pornography also distribute mainstream media. One example is News Corp. owned by Rupert Murdoch.

News Corp. is a major owner of DirecTV, which sells more pornographic films than Flynt. In 2000, the New York Times reported that nearly $200 million a year is spent by the 8.7 million subscribers to DirecTV. Among News Corp.’s other media holdings are the Fox broadcasting and cable TV networks, Twentieth Century Fox, the New York Post, and TV Guide. Welcome to synergy: Murdoch also owns HarperCollins, which published pornography star Jenna Jameson’s best-selling book How To Make Love Like A Porn Star.

When Paul Thomas accepted his best-director award at the pornography industry’s 2005 awards ceremony, he commented on the corporatization of the industry by joking: “I used to get paid in cash by Italians. Now I get paid with a check by a Jew.” Ignoring the crude ethnic references (Thomas works primarily for Vivid, whose head is Jewish), his point was that what was once largely a mob-financed business is now just another corporate enterprise.

How do leftists feel about corporate enterprises? Do we want profit-hungry corporative executives constructing our culture?

http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/pornographyisaleftissue.htm



Additionally, Comcast which now owns NBC makes half billion or more yearly from internet porn --

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BY THE WAY, IT'S

A $57 BILLION A YEAR

PORNOGRAPHY INDUSTRY -- !!

but I like the preliminaries of my rather mild fetish. The stuff on PPV is clearly geared to males without partners and I wouldn't watch it if you paid me to. My ex- would sometimes watch and wanted me to join him--YAWN.

Plus, there's no imagination in it whatsoever. I hate entertainment that I can write myself because it's so damn formulaic! :rofl:

like it doesn't turn me on or anything. and it's not because i find it offensive or anything either.

i'm just not into it.

Does all porn have to be "porn" movies, or are we including porn fiction?

I'm not into hetero-porn because I'm a gay female, but I have definitely been known to read (and possibly write LOL) fairly racy f/f types of fiction.

Where is this thread, and why isn't it locked?

sex in a sensitive way. Check them out. They are so gorgeous.

Porn is not only ugly and e3vulgar it is leaves zero room for my imagination.

and how they function. I wonder if there is a gender difference in this regard. Mirror neurons are responsible for translating what we see into our own personal experience. So, we cringe when we see someone else get hurt--those are mirror neurons working.

Men are more likely to think of women as objects if they have looked at sexy pictures of females beforehand, psychologists said yesterday.

Researchers used brain scans to show that when straight men looked at pictures of women in bikinis, areas of the brain that normally light up in anticipation of using tools, like spanners and screwdrivers, were activated.

Scans of some of the men found that a part of the brain associated with empathy for other people's emotions and wishes shut down after looking at the pictures.

"When there are sexualised images in the workplace, it's hard for people not to think about their female colleagues in those terms. It spills over from the images to the workplace," she said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/feb/16/sex-object-photograph

when they feel like they are being treated or viewed as sex objects.

http://www.livescience.com/11649-ogling-men-subtracts-women-math-scores.html

the majority of mainstream pornography is aimed at heterosexual males; there's no sensuality, no eroticism, not much of anything apart from ugly guys fucking attractive women. Mainstream pornography is for the most part catering to the fantasies of men ("if this girl will suck off Ron Jeremy, YOU might have a chance too!"). Women are less visual, as noted, and porn tends not to focus much on things that women find arousing as well (which in a lot of cases would probably be much less overtly sexual).

but when it comes down to the deed, If I'm not involved, it's just unattractive, really poorly staged, and as dull anad passionless as washing the dishes.

Things like romance novels are the mainstream female pornography.

Romance novels are the equivalent of sports fandom, maybe, but not the equivalent of porn.

Romance novels are the female equivalent of things like...Sharpe and Patrick O'Brian novels maybe.

Erotic fiction (which there are quite a few sites for online, at least for more amateur stuff) is porn. And for something more interactive possibly cybersex if your inclinations run that way; romance novels not quite in the same category though.

in fashion and grooming to men's in sports, too.

This woman doesn't equate bodice-rippers with porn; except for a subset of the genre, there's very. very little sex involved in romance novels--it doesn't jibe with the demographic (I used to be a book buyer so I claim some authority here :shrug:).

I think that would make the point of novels being closer in one way or the other to porn or sports. Men don't masterbate to sports...well...not the ones i know. I think. I hope.

great point. i dont know many women masturbating to the books. maybe reading with mate in fun while playing together, but then hubby has this whole sports (baseball line up or something) thing while playing too, to help last longer, grinnin....

really, good point

I do enjoy some porn. Just not daily.

Also, a lot of modern porn doesn't do it for me, and I'm not just saying that out of some kind of "liberal sensibility".

I'm a very, very hetero woman by nature, and two women together really don't do it for me at all. I need to see guys, and for lack of a better phrase, "guy parts", to be interested in porn, and it seems like 85%+ of today's porn is two girls getting it on, or an extensive camera focus on all the parts of the girl's body while the guy is just sort of an accessory in the background. Not only does that not do it for me at all, some of it actually kind of grosses me out. Also, the kind of girls in modern porn really turn me off - I hate the overbleached trampy vacant fake orgasm look, makes me want to punch them, not fuck them. (Sorry, but it does!)

The one kind of internet porn that really works for me a lot is amateur porn. I like to see real people having real pleasure. But I've noticed lately that the stupid porn spammers are making stupid overbleached trampy fake lesbian porn and trying to pass it off as amateur, which makes searches more frustrating.

Grrrr! Stupid porn industry! Making sex faker and more disgusting by the day! :grr:

It bores me most of the time, but she responds to it. Everybody has their stimulus.

So, I dunno? I don't care much either way.

This one sounds more fun. :hi:


I like porn. But I prefer fetishy and sort of countercultural stuff, and amateur porn, and gay male porn, ideally things with a little bit of imagination and wit. I'm just really, really turned off by the typical female presentation in mainstream porn--I'm not attracted to it (as I often am to more natural-looking women) nor can I relate to it.

I don't like porn that's too athletically mechanical...like you're looking in one of those huge-storefront-window gyms watching spray-tanned narcissists working out on machines, except those machines are really other spray-tanned narcissists. :rofl:

When a lot of people say "porn" the assumption is they're talking about the sort of stuff you see in pop-up viruses. Which, yeah, no, a lot of women don't like that. So a lot of women have to take some time explaining what it is they *do* like, and that gives people who don't want to admit that women like porn a lot of leeway to use those explanations to hang on to their ideas that "women don't really like porn," because they define "porn" way too narrowly.

"Imagination and wit" and I might add, at least for myself style/art.

So whenever anyone (but oddly enough, it's usually applied mostly to women) starts talking about what they do and don't like, someone will rise up to qualify it as "not really porn."

Amateur videos? "Not really porn." Explicit photoshoots with SF/historic themes? "Not really porn." Woman-driven bi/lesbian or fetish films? "Not really porn." Textual stories? "Not really porn." Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

If you define porn with ever-increasingly-narrow parameters, of course it gets easier to defend the stereotype that "women don't like porn." But you have to write off thousands of years of explicit sexual depiction (going back to the first ever red ochre scrawling of an erect penis on a cave wall, which might well have been done by a woman for all we know) to get there.

Me personally, I tune out and turn off the instant I see a woman touching another woman's sensitive bits with two-inch-long plastic fingernails on. I don't put it in the category of "not porn," though, I put it in the category of "porn I don't like." Which is probably objectively larger than the category of "porn I DO like," but it doesn't mean the latter category doesn't exist, or is even particularly small.

:hi:

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magics can happen. Remember, the mind is everyone's biggest sex organ.

section and they have more sex in it and an happy ever after relationship written by men, read by men, but not labeled romance. sanford being one. koontz being another. jd robb. evanovich. then i have "romance" authors that have little to no sex, just the implied sex and is a story. why they decide some are romance and some mystery i dont know.

then again, since getting kindle i have gotten a couple books that are flat out porn. i told hubby, those they call porn, not even. would eb a pg movie. but these books... flat out porn. handful of page of not much story adn the rest is as inventive of sex as they can get and you know.... there is only so much to talk about. peruse ten apges in about 1 minute.

somewhere along the way, guys got romance is porn, and without it being a reality, it stuck

Good choice. King is also great.

the funny about him and have seen so consistently is he builds the story well, evelops characters really well, tells story really really well then.... ends.

like

ok,

i am dont with story

the end, lol

Koontz's books always leave me feeling unsatisfied as well. Its like he doesn't know how to close or something. IMHO King is...well, king of the genre. I started reading Koontz when I had read through all of King and wanted more while waiting for his next release.

Koontz is a poor substitute. The amount of life King injects into his characters is friggin' magic.

May I suggest "The Stand" by King, or if you're not looking to get in any serious committments, the short story "The Langoliers".

Let me know what you think if you do decide to read him. I am a one man fan club for King every where I go! :D

soemone else recommended.

And written for women from whom I see reading it (I love her books but the last couple have been too much of the same old--she needs to take some risks again and not just phone them in.).

as is the other male writers, yet they have more sex than most of the romance i read. there are male writers in romance too, though unusual. but the point was

what makes one romance (porn whatever) and what decides it belongs outside of that genre....

in Evanovich since I don't read romance (I feel "guilty" enough reading Janet being an English teacher ;) ). If Janet does write more sex, than romance would be pretty disappointing as "porn."

i laughed so hard. i laugh so much, out loud, with her books, my boys run into the room to see what is up

most romance doesnt have that much sex, and the little they do is four pages of on and on that i can turn pages without much effort reading. it really is not the sex in the books that makes them interesting. just so many times they can describe "doing it".

lee childs has as much sex in his books. all the guy authors that get put in mystery ahve as much.

and as a poster said,

are women jilling off to it. cause if not, it isnt porn

If you like mystery, let me suggest the Victoria Houston Loon Lake series. She is a Wisconsin author. I believe the first is Dead Angler. I only read the first four, but will probably catch up on the series this summer.

if i start a series, good or bad, gotta finish it. lol

thanks.

i will write her name down and give it a go

than seeing naked people screwing with no story, no involvement, no emotion ... that is boring. :boring:

Males have uncontrollable erections that feel great, maybe some pangs in their testicles but otherwise puberty is enjoyable and they're well on their way to masturbating regularly (for the rest of their lives). But masturbating to the ceiling is boring and males, from a very early age (almost universally) seek to find pornography (applies to gay males, too). We want to see the naked body, we're extremely visual people.

Females have cramps, bleeding, and their breasts ache, they're not likely to masturbate at that age. Kinsey statistics show that women start masturbating at a much later age than men. When they do finally get around to it they're more likely to read novels as their pornography.

in their beds or elsewhere. I can tell you from personal experience with my girls, and my own as a full grown woman, that masturbation begins VERY early with females and puberty does nothing to diminish the desire.

puberty; and there's also the fact that as a whole, boy's puberty is celebrated and girl's is somewhat shamed (not universally true, by any means, but in a broader perspective).

i also saw where more girls having sex at younger age than boys (another busted myth) and girls say they have fewer partners than reality and boys say they have more partners than reality.

one of the problems of the past is the majority of scientist doing studies were men, with preconcieved beliefs, and they were questionaires and answered with stereotyped responses.

today, they are using more high tech and are not finding the differences in the genders and there are more women in the field bringing more balance. it will be interesting to see what develops the next five years.

and i agree with ridinginthestorm. little girls do their thing often enough.

my husband and i talking about water bill and me telling hubby cleaning is not the only thing going on in the shower with two teenage boys

he says..... true that, they are teen boys.

i told him teens, teen girls have been known to get off. really made him pause. not something that is so readily accepted as teen boys getting off

Are you female? Did you stop masturbating? Why would the onset of menarche change anything? So maybe you aren't doing it when you have your period but any other time? It's no different than any grown woman.... you just adjust your scheduling around it if it grosses you out. Plenty of women have sex and enjoy it while they have their period too.

"Kinsey statistics show that women start masturbating at a much later age than men" - your words from your own post.

And your Kinsey link only starts at age 18.

I can tell you that virtually all girls are masturbating as soon as their hand coordination begins working appropriately. Anecdotally, my girls began touching themselves in the bath as soon as they could. Who knows how early they were doing it in bed?

You look at this godawful shit that is going out now, such as the Twilight garbage, and it only underscores it.

I didn't know that! KEWL!

Doing the math - a woman's period begins 14 days after ovulation - that means I probably had my first orgasm around the first time I ovulated. I was 12 and 10 months and it wasn't the first time I had masturbated, just the first time I had reach a climax.

And all these years later, orgasm still helps relieve cramps!

If my information is wrong that's interesting to know, I know of few gal friends who have ever masturbated with the mechanic regularity that males do once they hit puberty. It's just unavoidable.

Here's a link where I got my stats: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:X7xiu6Ock_wJ:www.iub.edu/~kinsey/resources/FAQ.html+kensey+masturbation+statistics&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera&source=www.google.com

Here's a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfkG_0hyIoc

:hi:

:rofl:

Actually though, you're right about the uncontrollable sex drive and erections that accompany the onset of puberty in boys. Many of the women who are posting on this subject, literally seem to have no idea what it's all about for males..

as children, or many are drug addicted, or exploited and degraded by the work.

It's a complete turn off for me.

However, when you cannot save your next Word document because you have a terabyte of porn clogging up your hard drive you clearly need to get some help.

I never got the concept behind porn either. I have nothing against people that use it, but it's just something I never think about.

I don't think it's that women don't own up to it. I think it's just that many are indifferent to it because it's not part of our lives.

porn doesn't do it for me.

it just seems so mechanistic. I guess the emotion behind the action matters to me.

the movies are ridiculous and imo - pretty gross.

Seeing naked guys or porn movies does not turn me on.

Romance and emotions are what turns me on. I'd rather read a romance novel or watch a romantic movie. porn to me is just ridiculous there is no story line, there is nothing to interest me and I feel more turned off than turned on...

And as far as magazines... I think a healthy body that is in shape if very attractive - but I don't think it is attractive when it is a naked body... just mho. i think a women in a bikini or a man in boxers is much more sexy than naked.

....that's because in my theory, most women don't....women are lacking a necessary visual pre-climax measure or gene in which to judge their own sexual arousal....

....their sexual appetite is often biologically dormant to the visual, and being visually-challenged may lead some women to confusion, boredom, nagging and sexual obstinance....

....genetic diversity demands males be visual; women make only one baby per year while nature offers men the opportunity to produce many more....with opportunity always knocking, it's no wonder men are a visually proud group


Oh my ding a ling, Everybody sing
I wanna play with my ding a ling a ling
My ding a ling, my ding a ling
I wanna play with my ding a ling a ling

....their sexual appetite is often biologically dormant to the visual, and being visually-challenged may lead some women to confusion, boredom, nagging and sexual obstinance...."


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Over-made-up hairless women with fake boobs (and occasionally track marks) faking orgasm with men that aren't always attractive with a penis size that just looks painful, in positions that look physically impossible for anyone that doesn't do yoga. And no plot.

Why would I want to watch naked people very obviously not enjoying themselves? That's not sexy. I prefer to get an actual live person and have real, enjoyable contact. That's sexy.

mostly i find it stupid and boring.

i don't want to watch some woman giving some guy head for hours, then watch him come all over her face while she "enjoys" it ... then maybe he gives her a little face for like 2 minutes, which sends her into rapturous screaming (fake) orgasms.

i prefer actual sex with real people, call me weird.

Put me in the column that appreciates well done porn :)

especially during the day..do a poll :P

Before porn, I had no idea that pizza delivery was such an exciting career path.

instead of in the usual location. The more you know...

and I shall find out pronto, sir!

I have enough sex in my own life.

Watching others do it never appealed to me. I can't imagine preferring porn to the real thing, but I know without question there are those who do.

both but both usually results in happy endings for me.

She said the ideal women's porn is two hours of cuddling followed by a proposal. :rofl:

stereotype that women need the cuddlin and proposal.

you havent heard? well then, the joke would me nothing if it was not continually repeated women need to be cuddled and married.

Ever seen a sitcom? Men are portrayed as intellectually challenged slobs/loudmouths who would starve to death if not for their long-suffering wives.

Do I feel pressure to live up to that stereotype? No, because it's *fiction.*

with me, between her and i, about how men cant cook while i was teaching son about a product on the shelf.

ya

i called her on it.

you thought joke was funny.

meh, did nothing for me

Unless you're a full-time resident of SeriousLand, which you apparently are.

in my humble opinion. Like going to a jiggle joint. shrug.

I just did some quick math in my head. Dammit, I could gone to law school with all that spare time! Where the hell were you in 1989 when I needed you?

for every dollar I wasted on wastes of time, I wouldn't be working. HAHA

like whipped cream and peanuts

Sonny Drysdale?

And while the genre is pretty broad, a fair chunk of it is pretty apologetically straight-up porn.

Men and women just have differences in their sexuality, although that's obviously a big generalization, and I think there is a lot more overlap than most people realize.

30 years ago, the average woman didn't look all that different from the *average* porn actress,

and with some exceptions, the *average* porn actress wasn't filming a scene where she would fellate up to 10 men while screwing another 2-3, with everyone in sight jetting on her face.

It's said that porn is fantasy: who the hell's fantasy is that?

Not mine... Perfection isn't created through a scapel, positioning for a camera, and extricated moaning, groaning, and yelping... haha.