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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 12:39 AM
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I think it is interesting the Civil War Sesquicentennial did not
start earlier with some measure of acknowledgment for John Brown or the battles in Kansas starting around 1854. The carnage had begun earlier than Fort Sumter. Wonder why that stuff never came up?
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 02:52 AM
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1. While I agree with you,
I am thinking that it was mostly that Fort Sumter really signifies the split with secession and the firing upon a Federal installation in an organized fashion. What I have seen so far, has acknowledged both Brown & the Kansas activity, but then I am from Missouri so being closer the activity here to recall the era includes some mention of it.

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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 10:39 PM
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2. I'm in Iowa and we even had some activity involving John Brown
here but I can't recall any recent historical acknowledgment. I think the Brown boys lived up here at one time also.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:00 AM
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6. In a sense it would be regional reporting or
reminiscing of the events that were local to your area. As you say the Brown boys may have lived there for a bit, well, as areas seek to recall the events specific to those areas such would be included if known.

I don't think there is a national amnesia regarding Brown, but in many sense the Civil War was regional, recalling those events may be as well.

Did you know that Missouri had the 3rd highest number of battles and skirmishes behind VA & TN? I was not aware of this myself, but the reporting of this war & time is often centered on the events of the East. It's just the nature of things.

May 10th marked the anniversary of the Camp Jackson affair (St. Louis) which involved then Captain Nathaniel Lyons capturing a group of Missouri Volunteer Militia who were drilling in a area now part of St. Louis University. 120+ people were killed as the prisoners were marched back to the Federal Arsenal near the river (not too far from the current Busch Brewery).

There was recently a re-enactment at one of the local parks & I caught a short one man performance at the Missouri Historical Society.

http://www.mcwm.org/history_camp_jackson.html
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 05:43 PM
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7. Lyons was from Iowa I think. He got killed in a very early battle in MO
but the CSA forces couldn't do much to conquer the state since Union reinforcements were always arriving. And then Sherman, Grant and Sheridan showed up in that general area. Grant was in St. Louis on an early assignment.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 10:46 PM
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3. It hardly suits the national myth-makers these days to acknowledge
Edited on Sun May-15-11 10:47 PM by coalition_unwilling
John Brown. Seen through today's lens, Brown is a 'terrorist,' an abolitionist Timothy McVeigh. Talking about John Brown risks opening some cans of worms best left unopened. (I DO NOT mean to imply that McVeigh was a hero, nor that Brown was a terrorist. But John Brown did attack and seize a federal facility, the Federal Arsenal at Harper's Ferry. And they didn't call it 'Bleeding Kansas' for nothing.)
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 10:54 PM
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4. IMO Bloody Kansas was the real start of the Civil War.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-11 11:05 PM
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5. Lawrence Kansas
John Lane, Jayhawkers, Border Ruffians. Yes, it certainly was.
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