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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:22 PM
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Denver's New "Green" Lofts For Homeless People
For all of you talking about taking over old abandoned buildings, and empty homes, this is important to think about, including that is used both public and private funds:

Making Denver's East Colfax Avenue better (but not too much better)
The street's best new designs bring hope, but respect the urban realities
By Ray Mark Rinaldi
The Denver Post
Posted: 01/28/2011 03:28:16 PM MSTUpdated: 01/31/2011 01:50:25 PM MST

(snip)

At Pearl Street, rethinking the affordable. The latest Colorado Coalition for the Homeless project aims to change lives while fitting in. The $17 million building uses the latest green technology.

Lofts for the homeless? Yes, and plenty of windows to let in the light, picturesque views of the cathedral next door, brightly painted hallways, 10-foot ceilings, a shared computer lab and on-site counselors. The roof is covered with energy-converting solar tubes, and hyper-efficient elevators, and mechanical systems keep utility bills low for residents who need that the most.


Floor-to-ceiling windows in the hallways frame views of the Basilica of the Immaculate Conception nearby.


The goal is to integrate homeless people into the community and for the building itself to provide a "revitalizing uplift" to the neighborhood, coalition president John Parvensky said. While half of the units will be reserved for coalition clients, the rest will lease to folks who make $35,000 or less a year. Rents will range from $250 to $600 a month

Designed by Humphries Poli Architects, the building links to the sidewalk through five storefronts where retail tenants get a rent discount if they offer jobs or training to residents. Due first: an outlet of the trendy, earth-friendly Pizza Fusion chain.

Design-wise, the building tries to accomplish a lot. On three sides it is a modern loft development, with exterior sections of stucco, corrugated metal and composite siding — an uncomplicated box that adds a touch of this era to a street that has developed in various styles over a century.

Rooftop photovoltaic tubes will generate electricity for the building. The lofts were constructed to current green standards with energy-efficient elevators and appliances.


John Parvensky, president of the Colorado Coalition for the Homeless, in the courtyard of the Uptown Lofts, the nonprofit's 15th residential project. (Photos by Cyrus McCrimmon, The Denver Post )exaggerated finials.

More at the link, including the new LGBT Center next door
http://www.denverpost.com/entertainment/ci_17221050


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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:27 PM
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1. Unbelievable! Something progressive and humane for the poor!
Treating people like human beings!

What a concept!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:37 PM
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It can be DONE, in hard times, when people think BIG, and are determined.
I hope this lights a few fires around here!

NO to tents.. YES to HOUSING!
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:39 PM
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10. Just when you think people have given up...THIS!
I learn again never to give up on the human spirit...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:41 PM
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16. It is people who are determined to Make. It. Work. They refuse to settle.
NO TENT CITIES!

NO CRIMINALIZING PEOPLE!

Everyone here can do their part to make this work!

How 'bout writing an LTTE to your paper today?
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:40 PM
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14. I learn again never to give up on the human spirit...
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:05 PM
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21. "No to Tents, Yes to Housing" -
we can't repeat that too many times.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:18 PM
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29. I think you have just designed a bumpersticker!
:applause:

Have graphic talent?
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 06:58 PM
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52. Unfortunately I have few talents -
but like you I share the need to point out the truth. And people only need to look around them to see we're right. Who makes folks live in tents when there are foreclosed houses in every neighborhood sitting empty? In fact, who "forecloses" on houses? As far as I'm concerned housing should be a human right along with health care. This nonsense about certain folks amassing billions of dollars while others live in tents is crazy.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:25 PM
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61. Needs for all first!
housing, health care, food, water, warmth...recreation even?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:35 PM
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62. "housing should be a human right along with health care. " This is our task now. It MUST be.
While I understand why people are saying it, continuing to repeat that homeless people should be in the empty houses really isn't an answer. As a matter of fact, it puts us further behind.

Those homes, abandoned or not, have OWNERS, and trying to change that will waste money time and effort.

On the other hand, working to build nice buildings like this will be a BENEFIT. These apartments will now remain low-income, and this can be done in every locale if progressives care enough to make it a priority.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:39 AM
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82. Your post deserves a thread of its own, TBF.
And of course Bobbolink's post is really inspiring.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 08:37 AM
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97. Absolutely, it does!
Edited on Tue May-17-11 08:37 AM by bobbolink
And, I told you what you could do with yours. ~~gigglesnort~~

:hi:
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:29 PM
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2. Now THIS is real assistance!
...it is about time!

Cat in Seattle
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:39 PM
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9. Absolutely! Talk this up... we CAN do this!
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:33 PM
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3. I've got to get on the waiting list
it could happen to anybody, and those apts are awesome...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:45 PM
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17. Sure.. you don't have to be homeless. There are market-rate apts in the same building.
Well, I guess they are for people earning less than $35,000.

THIS is why I have been so adamant about doing it right, and doing it NOW.

This is doable, if people have the will.
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:33 PM
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4. This is a great idea! I saw this being done on a smaller level in some
small towns around Montana. The housing ended up being used primarily by the very aged living on fixed incomes and handicapped people. I was glad when the towns recognized the need and worked to meet the need. Of course it was never enough. There is really enormous need right now.

This looks like a nice building and I hope that it will go a long ways anyway to meet the need.
K&R Thank you for posting this!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:30 PM
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33. Could you please do an OP on that? And, yes, there aren't enough.
Our work is not done yet.

People are depending on us to get busy and do this!
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:34 PM
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Incredible!
Wonderful concept- living, jobs and counseling all in one place.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 04:22 PM
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41. For most, the counseling won't be necessary. I hope they aren't hounded.
It is downtown, so there are jobs in that area. It was a good way to spark up an old neighborhood, and create low-income housing and please environmentalists, all at one time!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:10 PM
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56. Agreed. Seems to me that it's more likely that homeless people with mental problems--
--have those problems BECAUSE homelessness can drive people crazy. Fix the homelessness, and sanity returns. Those who have mental health issues that cause homelessness are a minority, I suspect.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:13 PM
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57. "mental health issues that cause homelessness are a minority, I suspect." NONE of it CAUSES
homelessness. THere are plenty of seriously mentally ill people who are NOT homeless.... the difference is MONEY.

As for the other side.... yes, you are right.. it is a minority.

Sixteen percent. 16%.

Yet, people want to keep equating homelessness with mental illness. Everytime Thom Hartmann does that, I want to throw something at the radio! Get. Educated. Thom!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:23 PM
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60. OK, revise that from "cause" to "contributing factor"
The "drug use" meme is nonsense too. If people with drug and alcohol problems have someplace to live, they'll find it far easier to get a handle on their problems. And if not, everyone deserves shelter regardless.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:48 PM
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63. You are so right.. the only difference in "drug ", alcoholism, and "bad choices" is $$$$.
When you are poor, there is no margin of error.

" If people with drug and alcohol problems have someplace to live, they'll find it far easier to get a handle on their problems."

I don't know if you saw the OP a few days ago about the "wet" housing. It is for homeless alcoholics, and nobody tries to get them to quit. It is just how it is, and giving them a safe place to live is not only more healthy for them, but it costs the cities less. How hard it is to think clearly about these simple things!

I didn't mean to be nit-picky about the "cause" thing... it is just that there is so much ignorance, and people who keep repeating things that make life harder and more painful for homeless people. Thank you for understanding, and using a different term. As Lakoff has taught us, wording can make a big difference.

We really don't need for it to be this way!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:43 AM
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84. I have seen homeless people turn their lives 180 degrees around
just thanks to a safe, clean place to live and eat -- with the amenities, at least a shower, a stove, a refrigerator and indoor sanitary facilities of all kinds.

Homeless is not a character trait. It is just a situation. Homeless does not define a person. It just describes the injustice of a society.

In a nation of compassionate people, there could be no homelessness.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 08:34 AM
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96. "Homeless does not define a person. It just describes the injustice of a society." A good title for
a magazine article for The Nation, RollingStone, etc.

OR, a book title.

I hope you write it, because it sounds to me like you have a LOT to say that neeeds to be heard.

At least write an LTTE, OK?

:yourock:
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:34 PM
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5. K&R!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:35 PM
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6. In my area, there's lots of abandoned big-box stores. It alwasy seems it wouldn't take much
to put them to use in much the same way.

That's wonderful; thanks.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:45 AM
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85. You would have to add windows to make it livable.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:37 PM
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7. Soooooo Glad to K&R!!!!
:kick:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 04:31 PM
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42. Thanks. Great idea, isn't it? This can be DONE.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 05:15 PM
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46. Good for Denver!!
Good for the world.

La tabla rasa, the fresh start for humanity.
Genius.

Here in California, the homeless don't freeze to death so much, and Californians are snotty about helping the homeless, with the NIMBY people and the false argument that helping is "enabling."

May this catch on.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 09:51 PM
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64. "May this catch on". It will, if we press it! Change the NIMBY to YIMBY!
We need to get active, and we can all do that.

Even writing a LTTE to your local paper about this can open a few eyes! Willing to give it a try?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:51 AM
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86. Actually, there is or at least was single room housing, quite a bit of it
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:39 PM
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8. Excellent. Nt
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:39 PM
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11. This is an excellent idea.
Thanks for the thread, bobbolink.:thumbsup:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 07:29 PM
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54. Thank you, Uncle Joe! Now that this has been done, we have to lobby for this all over the country!
They got the funding together, and Denver isn't in good financial shape, but they did it, so it can be done across the nation.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:40 PM
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12. Bravo! Humane housing for humans - not PCV tubes stacked up or tent cities.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:00 PM
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65. I have to give Parvensky credit... he did the right thing, and didn't settle for less.
Now, if we can get people in other cities to do this.... obviously it can be done!

How about writing an LTTE for your local paper about this?
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:40 PM
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13. Brilliant!
KnR !

:thumbsup:
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 02:40 PM
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15. K&R!!! This is refreshing for a change, people actually trying to think and do
solutions to problems than just cutting and/or ignoring those in need.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:06 PM
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66. Well, that is the job of the Coalition, and they are PUSHING people to do what is right.
Those who are obstructionists aren't going to come to it on their own.. they have to be PUSHED.

We can do the pushing!
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:00 PM
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18. "on-site counselors" is that subsidized? private for profit?
Do you know?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:02 PM
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19. THAT is the part I don't like. It bolsters the idea that homeless people are "Flawed" and need to
be fixed.

MYTH. And one that hurts.

According to the article, it is a mixture.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:09 PM
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24. They're probably getting medicaid reimbursement
It's probably not their intention to vilify the homeless, but just following the money

Sadly, there's money in the new HCR act for a lot of agencies to end up perpetuating poverty without that being their actual intent.

Counselors? Send the counselors to the burbs!

:-)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:14 PM
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26. "Counselors? Send the counselors to the burbs!"
:applause: :bounce: :toast::applause: :bounce: :toast::applause: :bounce: :toast::applause: :bounce: :toast::applause: :bounce: :toast:

You are SO right! I see so many more deeply screwed up affluent people than poor people!

Get 'em the help they need to reclaim their humanity!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 11:22 PM
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79. Bobbolink, is it possible one might want counseling due to the ordeal of homelessness?
I'm hoping you could speak to this since you certainly know a lot more about it than I do. Most homeless folks I've met are indeed perfectly normal people just like anybody else who've simply had bad luck and I would definitely not assume that they have some kind of inherent flaw that requires counseling.

That said, I feel like if I had to endure homelessness for any significant length of time, particularly if I were in a situation where I were isolated and had no friends or family with me, I might get pretty depressed and need some therapy to fix that.

As I said though, you know a lot more than me about this both from a knowledge and practical standpoint and I'd like to hear your thoughts on this matter.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 11:24 PM
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80. I just saw your responses downthread actually and that mostly answers my question
Indeed I would certainly not want to go to a counselor for depression and have them try to "fix" something else they assume is wrong with me because I was homeless.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 08:52 AM
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98. Homeless people are not FLAWED. That is what "counseling" now is all about... FIXING people.
I believe what you are describing is the harm that is done to people psychologicially by being tossed out as garbage in this sociey. There is, indeed, pain that comes from that situation, and the way that we are treated on a daily basis (including by "progressives!)

Of course people would do much better if that pain was healed. If there was caring and nurturing.

But that is NOT what counseling is all about. :(

First off, counseling goes through fads, like everything else. The fad for quite a while now is "responsibility". They make a societal problem into a personal problem, and then put on the "responsibility" trip. So, on top of the pain and feelings of worthlessness, guilt is added. That is in no way helpful.

Then, there are the drugs. That is how "problems" are dealt with now. That's where the $$$ is. You *do* know that the US has more people per capita on these drugs than any other country, right? Those drugs, besides NOT dealing with the problem, have a lot of other negative effects, too, which we won't go into now. (And this will likely get all the "BUt *I* was helped with drugs! Are you telling me you don't want me to take my meds?". sigh...

I have a background in psychology and I can tell you that I am disgusted with much of what I see in the profession now.

What I have always thought should be the primary mission of a counselor is to put themselves out of business. There is no big secret formula to the part of what a good counselor would do. It is what we can ALL learn to do, and if we really wanted to build a healthy movement, if we wanted to created a healthier society instead of griping about the teabaggers, this is exactly what we would do. Its not hard, its nothing mystical, and it is worth the effort.

I would suggest beginning with a really good book called "The Good Listener", by James Sullivan.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_37?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=the+good+listener+by+james+e+sullivan&sprefix=the+good+listener+by+james+e+sullivan

It would make an excellent group study and practice and I highly recommend it.

WE can not only be our own media, but we can learn to be our own societal healers.

We really can.

Thank you for asking.. the kind way you asked shows that you are already on the way to listening!

:yourock:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 02:30 PM
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109. They need help, no question.. +1 nt
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:14 PM
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25. Hell, they probably do...not schizo or anything, but depression and anxiety.
I'm unemployed(not homeless) and I sure could use an on-site counselor (in fact I am seeing someone). Counseling is not about being flawed or even broken...it's about being wounded. And many homeless people are wounded.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:16 PM
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28. In a perfect world, what you are saying would be true.
That is NOT how it is anymore. :cry:

The "counselors" are there to PRY and "FIX" people. There are many DUers who can attest to that!

We wounded have to learn to help each other.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:22 PM
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31. Maybe...I don't know. It's not that way here in Canada...most counselors
are good people who want to help.

Myself, I am dealing with post-traumatic stress from being bullied at work, and then getting into an accident shortly after the job end.

It manifests itself as a fear of working or looking for work. And that's not something that I want to live with. I am wounded, and I want to heal. I am not lazy (like many people assume I am)but i need a hand.

I wouldn't doubt a lot of homeless people deal with similar things. Being kicked around a lot, you start to doubt your own worth. And that's not normal, and it's not something we have to live with. Counseling helps you see that, and overcome it.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:24 PM
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32. Well, then, that explains it, doesn't it? "Borders have consequences."
You also know that the US prescribes a hell of a lot more pills as an "answer", too, right?

I could write a book on this, but I hope you begin to get the picture.

We WISH we had what you have... cherish it, and fight for it!
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:40 PM
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35. I'd like more info from you?
What do you mean that "counselors try to FIX" you? Do you mean they try to prescribe antidepressant (here in Canada, only psychiatrists can do that, counslers and pyschologists can't)? Do they do other bad things? I'm trying to understand how therapy is done with homeless people in your experience.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:43 PM
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36. I believe I explained that. Sadly, I guess you aren't getting that this is a different country.
I'm glad it is working for you THERE.

Homeless people are NOT, as a population, FLAWED.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:47 PM
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37. of course they aren't flawed.
You did explain that in the U.S. people are just given drugs. I was just hoping for an expansion on it, or a personal story from you, seeing as how you are in the position of being homeless.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:53 PM
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38. Ah, so that's it. Nope. In the attacking climate of DU, there is no way I will
give you the personal details you want.

You'll have to look elsewhere for that.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:59 PM
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40. Okay, that's fine. This is a public forum.
Ha.....I'd hope no one attacks me, since I just shared that I'm seeing a counselor for pstd.

I get the feeling that you think I have some sort of ulterior motive. I don't. I just wanted to learn about the specific topic of counseling for homeless people from another point of view. However, I understand that you may have adversaries on DU and won't pursue the topic.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:13 PM
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107. Actually, you did answer my question as a response to someone else.
Didn't see it till now. Thanks.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:04 PM
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20. Yes that certainly fits the Obama mold -
profit profit profit ...

but I do like the idea of actually housing people rather than leaving them on the streets. About time.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:06 PM
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22. Love this idea for multiple reasons. Thanks for posting!
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Shireling Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:09 PM
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23. This is so incredibly cool!
This is the kind of world we can create. This is how it is supposed to be!

Can we become this? Yes we can!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:16 PM
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27. Thanks for posting this! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:19 PM
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30. Cool!
These are the kinds of projects being funded by the Obama administration's homelessness initiative.

HUD SECRETARY DONOVAN ANNOUNCES $ 1,041,139 IN NEW HOMELESS AID TO COLORADO
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:35 PM
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34. Very big K&R! This is real progress at attacking the root causes of homelessness.
This needs to go viral.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:23 PM
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69. Exactly.. it is "radical"... getting to the root (meaning of radical). I'm with you on making it go
viral!

How can we do that?

Can you share this around?

Can you write an LTTE about this?
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:51 PM
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76. I will do both this week.
:hi: :hug:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 08:28 AM
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94. You're terrific! Thanks so much!
Let us know the results of the LTTE, OK?

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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:17 AM
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99. Absolutely.
:hi:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 03:55 PM
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39. wow. wonderful and impressive.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 04:44 PM
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43. Damn! This is great. k&r
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 04:53 PM
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44. k&r
will read soon... sounds promising
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They_Live Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 04:58 PM
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45. K&R
Great news, and a great idea.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 05:17 PM
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47. K&R!
Let's hear it for Denver and the Colorado Coalition for the Homeless!

:applause:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:26 PM
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70. Yes, I agree.... I think Parvensky did great on this one! Now, we need to press for more.
HOMES FOR ALL!

And, in areas besides Denver, also.

We CAN do this!
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 05:19 PM
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48. K&R
Reposted too :)

wow...if only we could see more of this, and perhaps take an empty lot in the neighborhood and start a gardening project...

Maybe if we keep visioning the world better off, it will eventually match up!
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 05:26 PM
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49. Absolutely brilliant! K&R n/t
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 05:36 PM
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50. it's about time!
I hope every city follows this example. :thumbsup:
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 06:15 PM
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51. I am happy, this is exciting. The homeless deserve respect,
and they will get more respect just by having an actual home of their own. And green technology to keep the utility bills down. Impressive.

I hope and pray that this experiment works out well and it reproduced all over the country. Every time some RW idiot starts to spout off about taking all the government money from the poor, stopping welfare programs and food stamps and housing assistance, all I tell them is that I do not want to live in a country so full of homeless people that you have to step over them on sidewalks. No one should have to live in the streets.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 06:59 PM
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53. A kick because this is important. K&R nt
:kick:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 07:39 PM
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55. Thanks for post Bobbie.......Hope?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:09 PM
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67. Hope? What it says to me is that we CAN do this, if we decide it is important enough.
It takes having the WILL to do it.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:20 PM
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58. Wow! K&R
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 08:23 PM
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59. Great Bobbie!!
K&R
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:12 PM
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68. This truly gives me hope in the human spirit.
It's been lost recently so thanks for posting and spreading this fantastic news.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:27 PM
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71. My mother wrote up the plans for something like this nearly 30 years ago
Nice to see it off the drafting board.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:30 PM
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72. Kudos to your mom!
:applause:
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:43 PM
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75. It's good for people, saving historic buildings and building communities
But I'm biased since, you know, Mom. Do they have community vegetable gardens and hire those who want work to help restore/maintain the buildings, too? That would be awesome!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 08:26 AM
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93. Downtown?
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 10:51 AM
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101. Don't know enough about Denver's DT area to know if it's feasible
In the city for which Mom wrote her plan, small community vegetable gardens would be possible downtown, but I'm not as familiar with Denver. Even if vacant lots were only available for one growing season at a time, I wish this project would look in to it - pretty cheap and (for some) enjoyable way to get healthy, tasty food into the meal plan without breaking the budget. Even better if there was enough space to grow surplus to sell to restaurants or farmers market, but that's just dreaming.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:33 PM
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104. You would need to ask the Coalition --I would have no influence. But I can tell you, downtown is
impossible.

That's why there needs to also be buildings in other parts of the city, but the affluent Dems are prejudiced.

NIMBY.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:08 PM
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105. I did send an email with those suggestions
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:30 PM
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73. This is wonderful! A real home for real people and a bit of safety net for an awful lot of people
This is a godsend for the homeless and those a hair's breadth away too.

This is the sort of thing that needs to spread and grow.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:36 PM
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74. k&r!!
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:56 PM
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77. Fantastic post, thank you!!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-11 10:58 PM
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78. The GLBT center is 7 blocks away.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:38 AM
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81. Looks interesting. The article speaks of "units" and
certain communal rooms such as a room for computers.

I'm wondering how large and how well outfitted the "units" are. I also wonder whether a nominal rent is charged for homeless people and, if not, just how the rentals by the homeless are funded. That is an important detail.

The article mostly talks about the artistic merits of the architecture. I'm very interested in the organization of the funding and the lifestyles made possible for the homeless in the building.

Sounds great so far, but I would love to know more.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:42 AM
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83. looks like a small room with a big window in a mixed income development.
Edited on Tue May-17-11 12:49 AM by Hannah Bell
i'm not seeing the novelty except the window.

50 units for the homeless.

"green".

it sounds like a good project, but i'm not seeing the epochal nature of the thing.

maybe i'm missing something.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:22 AM
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88. I applaud the "integrated" approach...
To me, everything in our society is so fragmented, so anything that includes integration of all members of society with respect and compassion is great progress, imho. This combines affordable housing, a green approach, and a system to integrate those who are struggling the most with businesses and the rest of the neighborhood, with incentives to help one another. :)


The goal is to integrate homeless people into the community and for the building itself to provide a "revitalizing uplift" to the neighborhood, coalition president John Parvensky said. While half of the units will be reserved for coalition ...clients, the rest will lease to folks who make $35,000 or less a year. Rents will range from $250 to $600 a month.

<snip>

...the building links to the sidewalk through five storefronts where retail tenants get a rent discount if they offer jobs or training to residents.



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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 11:14 AM
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102. Agreed - it's actually the 15th integrated project they've done - and
at $175,000 per unit, you have to wonder at the cost. There's an existing 102 unit complex for sale currently in Denver for 4,900,00 ($48,039) per unit. That would have left them $12,000,000 for other projects while delivering the a greater number of units on this project.

http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite/Listing/Profile/Profile.aspx?LID=16829326&SRID=1688200410&StepID=101

Unfortunately not enough developers (for-profit and non-profit alike) seem interested in using the existing structures that are all over the country - and available at 1/3 the cost of new construction
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:09 PM
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106. Interesting...
Thanks for the info.

And, yes, this drives me crazy:

Unfortunately not enough developers (for-profit and non-profit alike) seem interested in using the existing structures that are all over the country - and available at 1/3 the cost of new construction.


One of my (many) dreams is to create a Citizens Development Cooperative. Pool enough resources and ingenuity, including resources from the local "haves," and do this ourselves.

I know...easier said than done, but still...

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 06:27 AM
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87. One more kick for this very important topic. nt
:dem:

Housing for all!
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:33 AM
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89. R & K! nt
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:36 AM
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90. With views like that, I might just move there myself!
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 07:38 AM
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91. Kick
:kick:
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 08:14 AM
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92. what an excellent project! K&R and hope this takes root
Edited on Tue May-17-11 08:15 AM by Bluerthanblue
in many other communities!

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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 08:31 AM
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95. Wish we could help that along somehow....
Make this story more visible to the Powers That Be in our communities?

Maybe a mailing to people on this list?

http://www.nahro.org/board-governors

:shrug:

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:18 AM
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100. I posted this article because I thought it was inspirational. It WILL happen....
..if we make it so.

It is up to us.

You can start with an LTTE in your local paper.
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bengalherder Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 12:11 PM
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103. K&R!
Thanks, Bobbie!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 08:50 PM
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113. Good to hear from you!
How you bean?

:pals:
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 01:16 PM
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108. Really good to hear
and we here in CA are with you all the way with the legal cannabis measures in 2012 (yours and ours) The tax revenue will help the homeless too among many other things.

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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 02:36 PM
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110. Restores my faith in basic humanity. nt
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Shireling Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 05:14 PM
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111. I'm hoping
that this is a sign that people are tired of being "rude and arrogant", and instead find joy in helping people.

Maybe it will take power away from the extreme right wing if we actually ENJOY helping others.

O8)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 05:55 PM
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112. I wish it were. I think this has to do with some very powerful lobbying by the Colorado Coalition
with the city of Denver, and working with private donors.

It certainly shows that it can be done, and it isn't about taking an abandoned warehouse and making substandard and shoddy housing from it.

This sort of project can be done anywhere, including in rural areas!

Thanks for your thread, also, Shireling! :hug:
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PeanutGallery Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:39 PM
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114. Interesting
I can't believe that this hasn't been asked yet, but since you're homeless, do you know the process to apply for housing there, and are you going to try and get an unit at this new place?
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