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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:11 PM
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The reason the debt ceiling will be raised before August 2nd

The Republicans fear only one thing.

An end to the gravy train.

And the gravy train is funded mostly by Wall Streeters.

And the Wall Streeters won't let the Republicans block the debt ceiling increase.



Boehner's bluffing. The people who own Boehner have already told him he is going to increase the debt ceiling.


Obama knows it. Or he should.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:13 PM
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1. The thing that scares me though
Edited on Tue May-17-11 09:15 PM by Drale
is the Boner goes crazy and goes "rogue" and completely destroy the economy.

EDIT: For spelling
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:14 PM
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2. What, you don't like him being orange?
I'm not sure rouge would improve his beauty.
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:16 PM
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3. Rouge on top of orange?
I hope not. He's garish-looking enough already.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:16 PM
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4. Interesting take. But there is a tea party caucus which is pressuring Bohner.
Edited on Tue May-17-11 09:18 PM by sharesunited
And they are no friends of big contributors (unless astro-turfed through properly money laundered channels).

He really is in the squeeze.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:22 PM
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5. Agreed. Boehner's sponsors stand to billions or even trillions in the aftermath of a bond default.
They simply won't allow him to go that far.

Obama knows it. The Republicans know it. This has got to be the most shallow political bluff I've ever seen.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:44 PM
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11. We Do Not Know How Boner's Paymasters Have Invested
They could be betting that we WILL default.

That would be so like them, wouldn't it? Bet that it will go down, and then Make It Happen On Purpose.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:49 PM
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12. Good point
The sharpies know how to make money when things are going down, as well as when they go up.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 11:35 PM
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13. Perhaps.
The real money in this country is wrapped up in the economic status quo and a bond default will be a major economic disruption. Many of the brightest minds on Wall Street were not able to see the the housing bubble so it's unlikely they are all in the know and conspiring to capitalize on a default event.

Your idea is interesting of course (it would be just like them) but IMO it feeds into the notion we must capitulate on the new budget because they are "crazy enough to do it". The end result of a default involves actions we can't predict like how our creditors and the bond market will respond. Even Bill Gross can only guess at the potential costs and risks of such an event.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 12:14 AM
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14. We are In a Terrible Bargaining Position. Our Constituents are Vulnerable. Theirs Are Not
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:28 PM
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6. The teabaggers are controlling the republican party now. They are crazy and will not allow the
debt ceiling to be raised.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:32 PM
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8. Follow the money
which ever has the most money owns the weeping boner
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:30 PM
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7. From your lips to Obama's ears..
Although I doubt it will help. :(
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:39 PM
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9. The Federal Reserve won't allow this to turn to a crisis.
They will create money and give the government access to the Fed discount window.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-11 09:41 PM
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10. They are Not Bluffing
The fallout from the default itself is just another risk to be carved up into derivatives and sold. The house always wins. The Wall Streeters will be fine.

The rest of us, not so much. Obama's re-election chances, not so much.

Being the party of "NO" has worked fabulously for the Repiglickins in last year's elections.
They control the media so completely that they completely deflect the blame for their obstruction onto the Democrats.

We will need to use every means of communication at our disposal to prevent this from happening again.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-11 01:02 AM
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15. It's just a show for the Tea-Baggers/
Obama should simply call their bluff.

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