Should sex between two consenting adults ever be criminalized?

on my table when I'm at the restaurant. Not sure how long I want you to spend in the slammer for it though.

It should be criminalized just like payola schemes

It shouldn't be criminalized.

It should be criminal to fail to resign from your position after having such sex.

Just wondering if you think it's ok to corrupt the political system in that way and then dodge a criminal charge by taking the money and then resigning?

Under the current system, you'd have to resign before receiving a gift. Under what I proposed, you could resign no later than the time at which you receive a gift. Semantics really.

are always going to think with their sex organs. That goes for men and for women. If a man is dumb enough to fall for a woman using him to advance her position via sex, and a woman is dumb enough to fall for a man doing the same thing, then they are eventually going to get repercussions from it.

I say no, because if I'm in a committed relationship, you don't have any right whatsoever to judge what goes on in our bedroom.

If three, four or five people like to have sex altogether, it's none of my business, either, because they are all consenting.

You can't regulate against dumb, and you can't regulate self-esteem. All you can do is provide programs that foster good decisions and good decision-making, and self-esteem; it's up to the individuals to take advantage of that knowledge and that help.

Because that's like asking should it ever be illegal to take a pee. And clearly it shouldn't however if you are engaging in disorderly conduct while peeing then obviously there's some law breaking going on.

You will get skewed results.

By the way I think sex between two consenting adults should and must be criminalize at times. Because the word "Consenting" is often misinterpreted. Women, men, young adults, students and parishioners are frequently brain washed, conned, fooled, forced and manipulated into consenting. Determining consent is the real problem.

and what do you mean when you say brain washed, conned and fooled?

Let's have a real poll question where at DU there might be some actual disagreement like: "Do you believe people should have a right to vote?" Now that would be a real barn-burner.

and as I said, I'm perfectly open to changing the poll. try again.

Would you need to be a mind reader to guess what the overwhelming results of such a poll would be?

...that should be punishable by criminal law. In general I'd say that where there is consent, but the consent is ill-informed consent, where there is serious deception or omission of important information it's potentially a reasonable case to invoke criminal penalties. I wouldn't want to go so far, however, as to criminalize what might be considered "little white lies" and minor omissions that many people make to grease the skids of social interaction. If a guy convinces a woman that he's "with the band", that's the only reason she fucks him, and it turns out he's not really "with the band", well, OK... He's an asshole, and she's pretty shallow, but let's not get the police involved.

There are cases where an employer can reasonably have policies about sexual conduct to avoid abuse of power, but I'd say punishment there should be limited someone getting fired, not a matter of criminal law.

Otherwise, I think a criminal fighting system should have other concerns.

Examples include teacher/student, guard/prisoner, boss/employee, etc.

Other than that, no.

if he/she has consensual sex with an adult employee? Yikes. Save me from your puritanical fundamentalist crap.

is it puritanical fundamentalist crap to consider that "consensual sex" as different from when a restaurant owner and employee have a mutual attraction?

Ultimately one can say that consent is all that is needed, but the reality of mixed power dynamics is that the person with the lesser authority or stature is at a much higher risk of exploitation. It's not unusual for larger companies and organizations to limit relationships for that reason and to limit liability should the supervisor retaliate.

I voted "Yes, in certain situations".

I guess I've just been in too many jobs where the boss is boinking an employee, who in return is getting favorable treatment.

Where do you draw the line fairly?

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and did I mention NO!

then that is it, you can have sex with whomever you wish, so long as it is mutually agreed upon. Either you are an adult -- and all the freedoms that comes with -- or you are not.

And I can't understand why a consenting adult would ever vote "yes" to this, unless they are against anyone having sex, ever.

What I do with another consenting adult in my bedroom is my business, and if both of us take pleasure from it, it is none of your business. For the record, I am a lesbian in a monogamous relationship. I love my wife, we are both 30+, and no one has the right to judge how we enjoy our pleasure with one another, because it isn't any of their damn business.

I'm reminded of my mother who made a statement that made my elderly father blush - they have been married over 50 years. People were talking about sex and sex habits, and my mother piped up with, "It's been my experience that those who don't get enough of it are the ones that talk about it. Those that enjoy it and get enough of it, don't have to worry about how and how much everyone else gets."

term "consensual".

If there is a threat of job loss/bad grades/violence/arrest then there is no consent. That's coercion and/or force.
If one partner has an undisclosed disease, there is no informed consent. That's fraud.
Neither case involves consent.

Try to adjust your vote accordingly.

You can't regulate against dumb, and you can't regulate self-esteem. All you can do is provide programs that foster good decisions and good decision-making, and help people bolster their self-esteem; it's up to the individuals to take advantage of that knowledge and that help.

That doesn't mean that everyone that likes sex has low self-esteem - it just means that they like sex. When liking sex becomes a negative, I have to question the person doing the questioning. Mind you, I'm an old married lesbian, so I'm probably different.

or order some ice cream.

adultery should be a criminal offense

Nothing bad ever came from that repressed time, did it?

its not a victim less act, other people suffer

:)

The adults part is easy enough. However, consenting can be used by some folks to be anything short of death in the attempt to prevent sex. Can a drunk/stoned person consent? What about a employer/employee relationship--is consent under duress truly consent?

Other, obvious, but probably less common reasons for applying laws to sex would include indecent exposure (two consenting adults shouldn't be allowed to have sex in the middle of a elementary school playground). Sex whilst juggling chainsaws in a crowded bus should be illegal too.

Seriously though, once past the issue of consent, I'm not a fan of anti-sex laws.

if drunk/stoned sex was criminalized then 1/2 the population wouldn't be parents lol

his 21-year old daughter? That's surprising. I think there are good reasons for criminalizing incest, even when everyone concerned is an adult.

Thank you.

Because it wouldn't happen. It's coercion.

You had me worried for a second. And if anybody believes that kind of relationship only begins when the daughter is an adult they need to have their heads examined.

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A 42 year old father wanting to have sex with his 18 year old daughter? Why the hell is she consenting? And why isn't it phrased as mutual consent? Clearly there is some kind of prior coercion or abuse.

Employer coercing employee? Not consensual.