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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:01 PM
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Does the truth have mostly a "liberal bias"?
Does not conservatism depend mostly on falsehoods and lies?

For example, they believe in small government. But they always seem to expand government. They say they can cut taxes on the wealthy and create more jobs. But they always seem to create less jobs than Democrats who tend to raise taxes on the wealthy.

They say they are the strong Party on defense but looking at recent years, it appears they are totally incompetent in foreign policy and national defense.

They say they are for fiscal conservatism but they always run up more debt and create more problems in the economy than they solve. Their "balanced budget" approach always runs up huge deficits. They are either incompetent or they are deceiving their supporters on purpose. They are knowingly lying.

They say they are against abortions but there seems to be more abortions when they are in power than when Democrats are in power? How do we explain this ?

It seems they are estranged from the truth. Indeed, the truth does have a liberal bias. They are a bunch of frauds. Is there any other way to explain it??

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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:04 PM
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1. As Liberals, truth is something we constantly strive for...
Conservatives live in a bizarre bubble of perpetual confirmation bias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

That wikipedia entry almost exclusively nails conservatives to a tee.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:15 PM
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2. That is a good definition...
reminds me of Newt Gingrich. :-)
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:17 PM
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3. It's just that liberals don't tolerate a lot of bullshit.
Republicans.... well, if *insert RW pundit* said it, that's good enough for them.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:18 PM
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4. “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;
that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
-- John Kenneth Galbraith

How would telling the truth ever help them?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:20 PM
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5. So they are lost from the beginning?
They are engaging in self-deception to justify their greed.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:39 PM
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7. Or,
maybe some of them actually truly believe that greedy is a good way to be for them and they see no value in honesty, altruism, and egalitarianism (unless presenting a facade of having these virtues can gain them something, like more wealth and/or power), and there is really no self-deception involved.

Grok want oil. Grok kill. Grok take.

I really do like to believe that people are basically decent.

But the consistently repeated inhumane actions of conservatives have made this belief a difficult struggle.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:54 PM
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8. Those at the bottom are, yes.
But they are surely led by those who know it's a con game.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:30 PM
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6. In a word, yes.
nm
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:10 PM
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9. Truth has no bias. It is simply the Truth.
It is humans who add bias to anything.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:17 PM
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10. Well, Steven Colbert said so, so it has lot's of truthiness to it.
;-)
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 04:05 PM
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11. It sure seems that way....even the repukes act as if that is true..
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 04:06 PM
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12. The truth is what it is; liberalism is more consonant with it currently than conservatism
But, like any ideology, it has its points where it ignores truth (or at least fact). We all have blind spots, but currently liberalism is an ideology much more consonant with truth than conservatism.
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badtoworse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 04:11 PM
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13. People hear and believe what they want
If you flipped this question around and asked it on Free Republic, I'll bet you would get very similar responses
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 04:14 PM
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14. Look at the Enemies List. Teachers, Journalists. Scientists. College professors.
Edited on Thu May-19-11 04:18 PM by DirkGently
... anyone in a position to gather, disseminate or analyze facts. The Big Idea of American conservatism is to eliminate the entire idea of Truth, and insist we decide every debate over policy or ethics by a simple yelling contest, which they expect to win with corporate money.

The "Tea Party" is a perfect example of this. Corporate backed. Loud. Nasty. Instantly evaporated by application of the smallest amount of factual information, like the fact that "Taxed Enough Already" folks have the lowest taxes ever.

The whole definition of "bias" has been manipulated. We're supposed to start from the false premise that crazy or money-driven conservative rhetoric is equally as valuable as other "information" in the world. But it isn't. It's not just as likely that Earth is 6,000 years old, or that global warming is a coincidental natural hotflash, or that tax cuts pay for themselves, or that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, or that corporate capitalism is the ideal economic system.

These things are less favored by the educated and the observant not because those people are insufficiently objective, but because those "ideas" are bullshit.

The tendency to discount bullshit in favor of things that are true may be "bias," but it's not WRONG.

Great post.


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Lionessa Donating Member (842 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 04:16 PM
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15. Answer to other way to explain it.... Liberals have a Truth Bias
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 04:25 PM
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16. The truth is the truth. It's our interpretation of it that is where the bias plays in
Truth is observable fact. But there is tons of room for interpretation of the words and the way they're put together.

"Conservatism" in and of itself does not depend on falsehoods and lies. Conservatism is a theory based on well-grounded philosophical thought.

It's in the implementation of that philosophy into a 2-party political system, both vying for power, where interpretation enters in.

There HAVE been principled Conservatives in politics. Oh, and by the way, there have also been disingenuous liberals who distort every bit as much as some conservatives. Lying and distortion is not the province of one party alone.








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