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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:51 PM
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I love Anthony Weiner, but he just doesn't get it re: Palestine/Israel
Here's what he tweeted after the President's speech today:

Remind me again, why did the '67 borders change? #IsraelAttacked

It makes me want to pull my hair out.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:53 PM
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1. What he tweeted is true, however

The borders changed after Israel was attacked by several countries.

If they weren't attacked, the borders wouldn't have changed.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:55 PM
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3. Yes, it is true. What isn't true, however, is that Israeli expansion is the necessary conclusion
of being attacked.

Now sensing I shouldn't have posted this because, I realize, it's bound for the I/P dungeon.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:41 PM
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21. I agree. I think Netanyahu's position is decidedly unhelpful.
But please, let's not play into the hands of folks who would happily re-write history.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:59 PM
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4. Not true
The war began with a large-scale surprise air strike by Israel on Egypt
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:02 PM
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8. At a time when armies were massed on Israel's borders
and the "drive the Jews into the sea" rhetoric was raging hot and heavy.

Israel was wise to strike first and not wait for the invasion to begin. That doesn't change the fact that Israel's existence was under attack.
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:11 PM
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10. Facts are facts, if you start playing games with who struck first
you might as well accuse the US of starting the war with Japan.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:14 PM
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11. You have certainly chosen your screen name well.
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 03:41 PM
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25. lol...
:popcorn:
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 11:43 AM
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26. Perhaps you can clear up this confusion
If the Palestinians weren't the ones involved with the war with Israel, why is it that they are the ones losing the land?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:36 PM
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18. Yes, facts like the cartoons that ran in Egyptian papers a few days prior showing Nasser in a tank
Edited on Thu May-19-11 02:37 PM by Warren DeMontague
driving over Israeli skulls to Tel Aviv.

The revisionist bullshit about the '67 war will not fly.
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:38 PM
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19. Some do.
If the evil imperialist-racist Americans hadn't placed a devastating embargo on the poor innocent Japanese etc...
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:34 PM
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17. Depends on what you consider acts of war.
Edited on Thu May-19-11 02:42 PM by CJvR
It is not as if there existed the obvious state of war or peace that is the norm for most of the world.
When the whole matter was started by skirmishes along the Golan border, that both sides participated in enthusiastically, it resulted in a Syrian demand for Egyptian aid.

EDITED to add...
The main reason for Nasser's decission to get involved in the Syrian mess was that the Soviets lied to him about the IDF being mobilized and prepared to attack Syria.

The two events that triggered the whole thing was the meek UN exit from Sinai at Nassers request (he probably never meant for them to leave but once they did he could no longer back down, not if he wanted to remain the principal pinup of the Arab national cause anyway.)
The second, being the causus belli for Israel, was the closure of the Tirana straights for Israeli shipping in violation of international treaties.

After the debacle Nasser naturally used the second favorite Arab excuse - it was the US fault!

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:17 PM
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12. By that argument, the allies, by all rights would have assumed Germany, Japan
Edited on Thu May-19-11 02:18 PM by hlthe2b
Italy and many other territories into their own. When war is over, sometimes (all too rarely) the "greater good" is considered....
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:54 PM
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2. The one topic where he and I part ways...
...most of the rest of the time I am fully on board...
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AgainsttheCrown Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:00 PM
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7. +1
I would add "n/t," but I have no clue what that means...
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:34 PM
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16. n/t = 'no text'
..
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AgainsttheCrown Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:44 PM
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22. Oh
Thanks...
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 01:59 PM
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5. I love him - just don't agree with him here. Nt
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:00 PM
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6. #IsraelAttacked= Israel attacked Egypt... not Israel was attacked
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:04 PM
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9. Is he trying to say
Israel was attacked or Israel attacked?

Twitter can be fun but often the meaning of a quick tweet can be very different depending on how it's read. It's never safe to quote or rely on Twitter for any kind of real opinion IMO.
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:26 PM
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13. once upon a time, israel could start a war and win it
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:27 PM
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14. Makes sense to me. Not all liberals are anti-Israel.nt
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:31 PM
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15. Yep, he lost me there too (n/t)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 02:38 PM
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20. He's right.
We can argue all day long about the wisdom of the occupation since-- a bad move, imho-- but the facts around the 6 day war are pretty clear.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 03:04 PM
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23. if the facts are so clear, why did you get them wrong?
Israel attacked the Arab countries.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 03:12 PM
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24. Yeah, they just woke up one day and decided to attack, huh?
Is that it?

Don't be facile.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 11:51 AM
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27. Tzipi Livni supports the plan
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