What should happen to the 9/11 forum?

What should happen to the 9/11 forum on DU3?

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Is it problem?

I say keep it... Just because it is home to stuff that is simply too funny. It should be renamed though to the Batshit Crazy forum.

I peek in just for a bizarre, dark-humored thrill).

You crack me up. :rofl:

It is embarrassing that it exists, but it is sort of fun to read on a slow day. :)

That hell hole is disgusting. And I have nothing against mentally able, sensible people owning guns... I just don't see too many in that forum that fit this description.

for an aunt who knits sweaters for her cats.

Sellouts to the Tea Koch Klan are ridicule material, not people who ask questions.

campaign donations now and a high paying job as a lobbyist, CEO, or do-nothing board member when you leave office, you should be in prison for life.

Sid

I think that some discussions on 9/11 have value. I would prefer they not be sent to a "dungeon." I also think that too many other valid OP/threads about issues in our history get zapped.

I also can appreciate that some of the "conspiracy" OPs are weak. I think that they would sink on their own.

Thanks for asking.

sometimes, mainly because I like to read offbeat news. Also, IMO, some good stuff is sometimes posted.

that covers a good deal of conspiracies.

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Joking!!
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Then the lack of people talking about it would be the proof of the cover up :D

Or I guess if we want to try to be polite, how about "General Discussion: Speculative/Non-mainstream"?

I made the mistake of discussing JFK in there a few times. Learned my lesson and I don't care if it stays or not.

with all the comments deleted and vague but ominous messages sent to all who post there imploring them to "stop poking around where they don't belong"

of course.

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IN GENERAL DISCUSSION. Sorry for shouting, but I feel strongly about this subject.

CONSPIRACY THEORIES WITH NO BASIS IN FACT ARE SO IMPORTANT!

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nonetheless, dude.

Bub.

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and roll it up and put it in a space capsule and shoot it into the sun. to remind us of the folly of all human endeavor. please.

Not many posts there actually discuss the events of 9/11. Most are either unrelated, or 9/11 conspiracies.

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That would be a nice change.

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since that one gets a different kind of special treatment.

'special treatment' was the euphemism ("Sonderbehandlung") the Nazis used to describe their use of poison gas to kill the Jews of Europe during World War II.

Jews who were killed by poison gas at Auschwitz, for example, had the initials 'SB' placed next to their names in the roster, the letters signifying the 'special treatment' each had received.

Whenever I see that phrase, I get chills.

at least it is what it says it is.

The 9-11 forum has become a receptacle for everything deemed speculative. "9-11" does not cover it.

conspiracy theory".

I don't care if you're talking about persecution of homeopathic indigo children, faked moon landings, HAARP causing earthquakes, or NASA bombing the 'star folks lunar friends colony', the crazier the fucking conspiracy theory, the more insistent the poster is going to be that THIS IS IMPORTANT TRUE INFORMATION THAT MUST BE TAKEN TOTALLY SERIOUSLY RIGHT NOW!!111!!!!!!!!

'question', and 'did they (cue spooky illuminati music) fake the airplanes and the victims?' is ALSO another 'question'.

One question, I think, is a legitimate weird point that never got enough discussion. The other indicates a serious level of wack-a-doodlage.

Although I don't know what the point would be to go to all that trouble since Americans were going to die anyway.

And whether or not someone said it might be a good idea way back when, doesn't mean that's how it played out.

Like I've said before; part of the problem with wide-ranging conspiracy 'answers' is that they draw together weird disparate facts and ASSUME they all point to one particular nefarious narrative. The truth may be more complex. Like the NORAD exercises on 9-11, which clearly contributed to the confusion around the events of the day and are often pointed to as proof that 'they set it up' (cue spooky illuminati music)

... but let's look at it this way. We know the Pakistani ISI has been playing both sides of the fence for a very long time. There has been information leakage from our intelligence to theirs and back again; this is why, undoubtedly, Obama didn't let the Pakistanis know jack about the OBL raid. And OBL was all prepared to split; he obviously figured he would have advance warning before anyone came for him. Okay, well, if there was intelligence leakage from us--->Pakistan and via that route to Al Qaeda, would it have been so inconceivable that they might have had some advance knowledge of the NORAD exercises planned for that day and scheduled their act around it? Seems pretty straightforward, and at least as logical as a grand conspiracy involving large #s of people in our own government.

terrorist organizations may be suicidal but countries are not.

That is about as implausible as the Bushies leaving the barn door open and looking the other way while the crazies get in, which at least had a plausible and actual benefit for them.

For one, "Pakistan" is not a monolithic entity.

Their "Islamic Extremists" are also one of their front lines against India.

So wait a minute.. you're seriously saying you doubt that the ISI -or elements of the ISI- has/have been working both with our Intelligence and AQ?

Doesn't the fact that Osama turned up where he did pretty conclusively prove that to be the case?

what would they have hoped to gain by helping al Qaeda with 9/11?

Actually, there is evidence that they did exactly that, though not with intel we gave them or they stole.

I think there are multiple actors with multiple agendas.

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I love it!

Sid

Which is a non-judgmental label indicating ideas somewhere not quite mainstream.

is implied.

Let the forum name itself.

and see what they say...

There is the negative double entendre I think you have to admit.

But maybe enough would agree to "take it back"

Sid

That encompasses a LOT of things that could go there.

It should be obvious by now that our government is "done" with that whole historical episode, so continuing the discussion is an exercise in futility:(

Another nonpolitical website does that for "crazier" threads (maybe JREF?). It's a nice, nonjudgmental name, no stigma attached. 9/11 stuff, chem trail stuff, stuff that's out of the mainstream (hence the title). Discussion of autism/vaccine stuff would still go to Health, for instance, but claims that Mossad created autism in order to trick people into buying more KFC would go there. Stuff that's considered outlandish. Not passing judgment, either: some people have different beliefs than the mainstream, which is why we're all at DU; some people have radically different views on a few things and should still be encouraged to participate here, even if I happen to think those views are a little kooky.

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Mission statement: To boldly go where no man has gone before.

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But don't delete it. The conspiracy loons would be forced to post here.

It's DU's home for those with the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

but it's painfully obvious when DU makes an exception to the call out and ridicule rules for truthers. Have fun.

Sid

GBCW cruel world posts I've heard so much about?

percentage of disbelief makes someone a nut?

Treat posters here like adults and let them freely discuss any topics that are now moved to the 9/11 forum in General Discussion.

Show some respect and trust in the members of this site to let a thread sink on its own when it doesn't merit further discussion.

forum with a question and want to hear both sides. You get talked down to and made to feel like a fool. It is not a pleasant place to visit for sure. If you want to hear both sides and decide for yourself it won't be allowed to happen down there. I was lucky to escape with my life, lol.

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So we're pro-debate close now? What the fuck harm are they causing any of you?

"They're an embarrasment"?? I have several 5-digit celebrated "Democratic" posters in my ignore list for their lurves of Free Trade, job offshoring and Globalization; three WHOPPER bullshit fairy tales with no roots in progressivism. ALL still exist.

Yet fairy tale purveyors like that are perfectly OK on DU. Globalization trolls aren't even remotely embarrasing, but people finding something incredibly wrong with the 9/11 Commission's "version" of the story doesn't sit well with anyone, despite the multiple flaws, inaccuracies and flaccid explanations? :eyes: :eyes:

Ever stop and think that not all "TWOOFUHS" as you call them believe in controlled demolition, drones, missiles, phantoms, etc?

Is there something wrong with me? I sure as shit don't believe the Zelikow/Hamilton crapcake; not a smidgen. I wanted a full investigation just like the 9/11 widows did. They didn't get any hard questions answered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI&feature=related

the forum just existing should not offend people at DU who define themselves as liberal end of the spectrum :shrug:

These days everybody wants to kill what they personally don't like. :argh:

If not that, then leave it as-is.

percentage of disbelief makes someone a nut?

If you answer that question, it will be a little harder to toss around insults so glibly.

I do not believe that he was the evil genius who planned it.

Once the acceptable position is established maybe everyone on DU can sign a digital pledge of unwavering support.

will be asked nationally, maybe it will just go the way of the rule of law and fade away if not eliminated.

plant a bunch of demo charges,
then fly an airliner into it,
blow the charges at the same time,
let it collapse,
and then blame it on some guy living in a cave on the other side of the World.
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Works for me.

who happens to have some questions about the official account of 9/11. Apparently, as far as DU is concerned, I deserve every bit of the derision expressed in this thread. Weird.:shrug:

over and over. You choose to ignore then.

Forgive us for getting tired of your "questions".

Authority? Many of the things you claim have been answered have never been demonstrated and are little more than conjecture. Yet, I'm batshit if I don't accept them as gospel. BTW it would be interesting to hear what you think should happen to the 9/11 forum, dude.

dude. There are thousands of pages of studies chock full of verifiable facts which you refuse to read, hand-waving them away, cynically dismissing them as appeals to authority. What's funny here is that "truthers" constantly claim that if they were given the chance to post their nonsense in GD, we'd all see that DU, as a whole, supports them. I offer this OP as exhibit A, which soundly and definitively rebuts that claim.

I think we should keep the 9/11 forum so the "truther movement" continues to paint itself into a corner.

I comment that DU editorializes by waving it's own rules for some members, and you answer "we're sick of your questions". Of course not sick enough to want the dungeon to go away. Why? Because the abuse they promote is your favorite pastime.

how is DU "waving" (sic) it's (sic) own rules?

there are a lot of members who are skeptical, of at least parts, of the official story. DU allows members who fit that group to be called out and openly ridiculed. That's how.

their ideas are ridiculed and for good reason.

Do the comments here in GD give you any sort of idea why? Please point to any examples of "doubters" being "called out" in the 9/11 Forum.

Nobody posited any "ignorant, loony, bullshit" 9/11 theories in here. All it took to get the abusive name calling machine cranked up was a question about what to do with the forum.

is, dude?

Maybe the "truth movement" should consider retaining a PR firm.

carry on man. I'm sure they get a kick out of your schtick.

Mostly the other bizarre stuff that can be found there. :pals:

DU needs a place where crazy shit should get put, but I'd like to see the depository of crazy shit called Crazy Shit.

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Sid

In fact, throw the alt-med nonsense in there as well.

Sid

I realize one of us got off at the wrong station. There was a time I'd be sure it was you, not so sure anymore.

"chemtrails".

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Sid

forum.

And all other magic thinking too-- things that originate and exist nowhere but our own minds-- politics, philosophy, the art...

all nonsense.

Assuming all the posts are consistent with stated DU rules and guidelines, of course.

For anyone who really wants to investigate this subject on the internet this is a great place to start. Yes, there are a lot of crappy meaningless posts to sort through, but there are a lot of really good links here posted by DUers who have put a lot of time and effort into this.

Of course, if someone wanted to take the time to remove some of the crappy meaningless arguments between DUers, I would have no objections.

to 'conspiracies'. Any way you slice it, Sept. 11 was the result of a conspiracy. Since it is an all encompassing conspiracy dump, why keep labeling it 'Sept. 11'?.

And for all you lurking republicans I'll leave you with this:

"There was a threat materializing that we didn't respond to." -Condoleeza Rice on 5-5-11 telling it like it is regarding the months leading up to 9-11-01.

The motherfuckers fucking failed us and three thousand people were burned alive or crushed. What the fuck are the repubs good at? fucking failures. We didn't even get justice until after the Cheney admin left washington. failures on every front.

and shove all the alternative health woowoo in there as well.