One last thing to say about DSK: If the French don't want to obey US laws, they should stay home.

Or stay away from the US. Simple.

But if you break our laws, you have to be prepared to pay the price.

nt

Too bad this simple opinion will gall people.

He killed some innocent bystanders in cold blood.

Guess he should have stayed home too, but the us gov't didn't make *him* face Pakistani justice.

here's another guy the US wasn't any too eager to try for murder:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles


us justice is highly selective.

if the us has selected dsk for its "justice" its not because he raped someone.

Why did Pakistan give the *murderer* up?

That's their lookout.

Your continued support of DSK is well-noted, though.

The US sprung that murderer from Pakistan not long ago at all.

And if you say the relationship between the US and Pakistan is the same as that between France and the US I'll just..

:rofl:

In any case, the OP simply said that if you can't obey US law, then don't be surprised when you end up behind bars.

Meanwhile, the Paki gov't let a murderer go.

What has one to do with the other? Nothing. Is the OP the US Gov't? No. Did the OP jail DSK? No.

So, giant FAIL on the hypocrisy thing.

:eyes:

which evidently means something other than what you think it does.

Dictionary: your friend.

The US advocates the rule of law for others while ignoring it for itself constantly.

None. Case closed. I see your point. It has no bearing here in the least.

Is the http://kobason.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/i-m-f-case-puts-focus-on-special-victims-squad/">New York Special Victims Unit hypocritical?

"But doesn't the hypocrisy bother you a bit? I mean, do you remember any Wall Street bankers being dragged off in handcuffs when they blew up the financial system and bilked people out of trillions of dollars? Do you remember Tony Hayward being thrown in jail when BP dumped millions of gallons of untreated crude into the Gulf of Mexico? Do you remember anyone in the Bush administration doing time for leading the country into a war that killed over 1 million Iraqi civilians and displaced 4 million more?

The people who make the rules aren't bothered by fraud, rape, murder or any other crime. It just doesn't matter to them, because there are no consequences. They do what they want and let someone else worry about it . . . . "

http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/mike-whitney/36223/does-sarkozy-like-seeing-france-get-dragged-through-the-mud

none of that matters for shit here.

I have a lot of problems with how we relate to South Asia and Pakistan, but on that one, we did the right thing.

The two men were identified as Faizan Haider, 22 years old and Faheem Shamshad (also known as Muhammad Faheem), 26 year old. Davis told police that he acted in self-defence. The police were unable to find any eye witnesses to support Davis' contention that the deceased men brandished a weapon. Police confirmed that Faheem was carrying a pistol at the time of the shooting.<28> According to the investigative officers, when Davis fired at Faizan and Faheem, they were sitting on their bike in front of his car with their backs towards Davis.<29> Davis shot them through his windshield. After the shooting, Davis is alleged to have exited his car to take pictures and videos of the casualties with his cell phone.<30> There are additional reports that Davis shot five rounds through his windshield, got out of his vehicle and shot four more rounds into the two men as they lay on the pavement.<31> The police report says that witnesses saw Davis fire at Faizan Haider at a time when he left the motorcycle and ran to save his life. Davis himself also admitted that he fired at Haider from the back when he was running.

Davis then radioed for backup. Minutes later, four men in a Toyota Land Cruiser Prado with fake registration plates made an unsuccessful attempt to reach the scene.<4> Stopped in a traffic jam, the driver of the Prado jumped the median on Jail Road, traveled against the oncoming traffic. The Prado collided with a motorcyclist unconnected to the initial incident, later identified as Ebadur Rehman (also transliterated Ibad-ur-Rehman). Faizan Haider died at the scene, while both Faheem Shamshad and Ibad-ur-Rehman were taken to Services Hospital, Lahore and subsequently also died.<32><33> Security camera footage of the damaged vehicle after its fatal collision with Rehman were later shown on Pakistani Geo TV.<34> Pakistani officials believed the vehicle's occupants were also employed by the CIA, as they came from the same suburban house where Davis lived. The U.S. later refused Pakistani demands to interrogate the men and they later left the country. It was reported that the men were U.S. citizens and had the same diplomatic visa as Davis.<35>

After the accident, the vehicle fled the scene and proceeded without stopping to the U.S. Consulate, jettisoning items outside Faletti's Hotel. Police say they included four magazines containing 100 bullets, various battery cells, a baton, scissors, a pair of gloves, a compass with knife, a black coloured mask/blindfold, and a piece of cloth bearing the American flag.<4><36> Davis also attempted to leave the scene in his vehicle, but he was apprehended by two traffic wardens at Old Anarkali Food Street in Anarkali Bazaar and handed over to police.<4><37><38><30><39>

The police officer in charge of the investigation, Zulfiqar Hameed, was initially reported as having said that eyewitness testimony suggested that the men were trying to rob Davis.<45> Later press statements from the Lahore Police Chief, Aslam Tareen, explain that police rejected Davis' plea of self-defence precisely because of eyewitness statements. Tareen, describing the shooting as "a clear-cut murder," explained that the self-defence plea "had been considered but the eyewitnesses, the other witnesses and the forensic reports, ...showed that it was not a case of self-defence."<46>


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Allen_Davis_incident


like the us media isn't dealing with dsk "hostilely". read some of the reportage & editorializing, which have already convicted him, as well as reporting events in a misleading way.

Not to mention that there was a totally innocent Pakistani run over by an American vehicle going the wrong way down a one way street to "rescue" the killer.

to change her story, or would simply have been ignored, and the Great Seducer would have once again got away with it (as it seems he has several times in the past).

What he did not appreciate is that to the USA justice system, the lowliest hotel maid is just as important as a rich, senior international bankster. One reason to be proud of the US.

USA justice system, the lowliest hotel maid is just as important as a rich, senior international bankster

One reason to be proud of the US.

i said yesterday, said to my family, first time in a while i have been proud of u.s.

it ain't.

It's one of the most racist and prone to influence that there is. Do you really think that minorities get access to the same legal system that non-minorities do? Do you really think that the wealthy can't afford to buy their justice? Do you know that the death penalty is more than twice as likely to be applied when there's a black perpetrator and white victim as opposed to a white perpetrator and a black victim? Yep, that's really something to be proud of.

Say it took a few days to actually act on the matter, DSK would be quietly trying to pay her off.

should respect our laws, considering what a lawless nation we are? Do you eg, think that the several, I'm losing count, countries we have illegally invaded, violating their laws AND raping and torturing their citizens, not to mention killing them, might, feel the same way about us?

Have you seen the demonstrations in Iraq, in Afghanistan and Pakistan, peaceful mostly, demanding that since we have so destroyed their countries, broken so many laws, international and local, we get out and stay our of their countries?

Have the French dropped any white phospherous in any of our suburbs lately, or tortured any of our citizens?

As for the case you are speaking of, we know nothing about the guilt or innocence of that person yet.

We are probably one of the most hypocritical and arrogant nations on eart right now. NOT in a position to talk about 'respecting laws'! A lawless society like this, really should not even whisper the word 'law' together with the word 'respect'.

Give me a motherfucking break.

If a foreigner cracks you on the skull, would you accept the swill you wrote as justification for it?

(I actually think you would...maybe I meant that as a rhetorical question)

otherwise you would never make yourself look so foolish as to try to get away with it.

I'll wait ~

As far as what I actually wrote, you may read it again and I assure you, I meant every word.

as an excuse for someone raping you and expecting to get away with it.

Most people wouldn't accept that. Thank heavens you are not a judge, and in fact I will hazard a guess that exactly zero judges/juries in the US would fail to indict a suspected sexual assailant on the grounds that "we have a lawless country." That is horseshit.

But at least we know that in your world, two wrongs produce a right.

I've seen posts by people saying that, eg, you should respect Cuba's authoritarian laws, and then the same people turn around and say stuff like this! God I love when people show their blatant hypocrisy and double standards.

It was about hypocrisy. Now see if you can figure that out.

...considering what a lawless nation we are?

:rofl:

But don't worry, we're in a position to tell people to respect other countries laws (despite that the very countries we like to mention rank highest on all corruption indexes there are).

:puke:

and let everyone else mind theirs, instead of always lecturing people about THEIR problems.

We can dish it out with no problem but fall apart when someone makes a slightly uncomplimentary remark about us. This country needs to toughen up! We're turning into a bunch of cry-babies.

Moral relativism is dead. You can have whatever hypocritical opinion you want, and I can point it out when I see it. :hi:

(Being able to take a stand somewhere without moral relativism or false equivalence, means I can be against US imperialism and against a rapist!)

I call it cowardly, especially from thousands of miles away, killing little kids as if it were a video game. Yeah, that's brave! :eyes:

I'm for fighting wars the old way. Any president who wants to start a war has to lead the troops on the battlefield. Or, I wouldn't mind our elected officials challenging the 'enemy' to a duel, which we could be televised, a reality show. Or we could just stop killing people.

Or we should just shut up about other people's problems or expect them to tell us where to go and stop whining about it!

I support the weak, yet I see so many posts invoking conspiracies to "defend" DSK (the only end result of these conspiracies, if they are true, which they aren't btw, are a defense in the court of law). I support the oppressed, yet I see so many people conflating US policies with oppression, even though I don't support oppressive US policies, so that conflation does not apply to me and is wholly irrelevant.

I want to unrec such stupidity and BIGOTRY 1,000,000 times.

Yeah, right.

:eyes:

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are apt to confuse for an unconditional statement.

Did you miss the word "if" in the OP? Maybe you did.

Would be shocked if it was not.

Rape is a crime in France, last I knew. Suggesting that DSK's defenders have hidden agendas, IMO.

So it would be very low key and the victim may not have even got justice.

in the US legally, and then he could sue for amnesty.

Same goes for pot smokers... :P
(Insert rationalization here)

Doesn't matter how heinous the act. A little sexual abuse, a little racism, a little child voyeurism.... JUST LEAVE THEM ALL ALONE!!!!! :puke: :puke:

...anti-Americanism. If anyone who has a negative opinion of the USA, and they do something heinous, then they must be innocent. (See Syria and Libya, so silent on their respective crimes.)

doesn't make one a trot. if the msm were willing to discuss the issues i'm interested in a way which didn't support a ruling class agenda, i'd link to them.

also, no one is "defending" dsk.

not that i think you'll do anything but continue spouting crap, but just for the record.

I must have missed the headlines.

Sid

:-)