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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 11:14 PM
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I don't know why the teachers' unions haven't proposed their own quality standards.
Let me preamble this by saying two things:

1. I support teachers. They aren't paid enough, and taxpayers are always trying to skimp on funding them thinking that they can get something for nothing.
2. I would prefer that we have strong public schools over a patchwork of less-accountable charter schools. I am a proud graduate of public schools.

That having been said, as a person who tries to look at the dynamics of political strategy, I think the the teachers' unions make a mistake when they have not proposed their own competency standards to challenge the ones being used by the states. I think that a hard-line stance against them lessens their credibility, and their own proposal would serve to highlight the problems in the state standards. Skilled trade unions have found success in guaranteeing a certain quality of work through certification and apprenticeship as their leverage in bargaining; I feel that the teachers' unions would benefit from giving themselves this sort of leverage, and the credibility of public education in general would benefit as well.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 11:20 PM
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1. hmm does evaluating/grading assignments given to students qualify? nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 11:22 PM
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2. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?
You are vastly overestimating the fairness and competence of the M$M, I applaud your generous nature.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 11:24 PM
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3. Teachers have long maintained, and rightfully so, that they are far better at evaluating student
progress than standardized tests.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 11:29 PM
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4. Yep. And sadly much of education has fallen into teaching to the tests
instead of teaching how to learn, comprehension, and creating study strategies.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 11:32 PM
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5. Exactly. My son's school spent the better part of a month just learning how
to succeed on the ridiculous AIMS test.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 07:47 AM
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9. Be grateful it was only a month.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:34 AM
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11. Oh, it carries through the year, but they actually spent a solid month
strictly learning to take the test.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 12:08 PM
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14. In Florida it would have been the first seven months of the year,
leaving April and May for actual learning.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-11 11:35 PM
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 06:52 AM
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7. As a teacher, my personal evaluation is the quality of questions the students ask.
Not whether they can parrot back what I told them or they read. I regale when even the younger children ask me for more information to support what I told them. Music to my ears: How do you know?

Critical thinking is the gold standard.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 07:47 AM
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8. They have.
I find it sad you assume this has not been done.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 11:35 AM
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12. The OP was challenged in another thread to prove his
support for unions.

This thread was the answer.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 12:01 PM
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13. How shocking
:sarcasm:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 07:33 PM
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18. You forgot to mention that this is only one of two complaints I aired on DU about unions.
You specifically asked me to elaborate on this issue. You are only telling half of the story if that.
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 07:50 AM
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10. Exams, quizzes and grades?? n/t
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 12:09 PM
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15. Students aren't a product, they are not wares to be guaranteed.
Every individual has different potentials, circumstances, support systems, resources invested in them,aptitudes, and drive.

People aren't widgets and everything is not best run as a business.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 05:19 PM
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16. Agreed. Given the same quality of materials a master trade unionist can produce consistency,
But give the same person a pile of sand and some paste, the results will be totally different.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 05:31 PM
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17. Teachers don't have a billion dollar lobbyist group hounding
Washington every day to destroy pubic schools. They have little to no power to change things and a teachers union has nothing to do with teaching SOPs when it comes to NCLB. You should talk to a teacher and learn something about the profession, before posting out of ignorance. No offense.
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