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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 02:36 AM
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Old Soviet Nuclear Site in Asia Has Unlikely Sentinel: The U.S.
KURCHATOV, Kazakhstan — Twenty years after the Soviet Union collapsed and tens of thousands of soldiers abandoned their posts at this remote site in northeastern Kazakhstan, the footprints of another great power — the United States — are increasingly visible.

The United States Defense Department has paid for aerial drones to spot intruders, and for motion detectors that signal when a person, or a horse or a car, crosses into restricted territory. The classified project aims to keep terrorists away from what the Soviets left behind in patches of earth and a warren of tunnels that they used for atomic testing: among other things, plutonium and highly enriched uranium that Western scientists fear could be used to build an improvised nuclear device.

Protecting this material has meant teasing out nuclear secrets that have been kept for decades. Russia is warily sharing archival material about Soviet-era tests, and the United States is paying to remove or secure weapons-grade material. Kazakhstan is providing the labor, but because it is not a nuclear power, its officials are forbidden from learning exactly what it is that they are guarding.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/22/world/asia/22kazakhstan.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&src=ig

This is a truly contaminated sounding place. What a mess.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 03:00 AM
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1. The metaphor in that is not about nukes.
Edited on Sun May-22-11 03:26 AM by RandomThoughts
You have to understand that the Corporate system, or oligarchy, thinks of any ideas that are not feudal system capitalism as terrorist.

So in other words, that is why they are scorching the sky of many ideas that try to help people, the very idea of helping the poor, or that a spiritual belief can also be about defending the poor with systems of justice with compassion is a threat to money power.

So the translation on that is about the attempts to remove and censor many ideas that come from some of the better ideologies, even if they had issues or got side tracked also. It is true that Soviet system went off the rails way back with Stalin, but the basic concept of more equal systems for many people the oligarchy does not like.

Although it is not about economic system, but a more fair economic system, what ever that might be, so either extream can fail or get better.


It is hard to understand that level of such comments, becuase of the the Orwellian usages of terms that label groups like code pink, or activist as terrorist, or that try and isolate with McCarthyism.

But the ultimate irony, is back in the soviet days, the people in the soviet union said they had to decipher the codes in the news.


You have to remember the opposites are backwards on everything. So what they would call a nuke, would be a good set of information meant to help people, but by saying it is about Nukes, Terrorist, and communist, they still say the same thing, but the nouns are all switched around.


The red balloons, when Nina song came out, everyone thought they were about nukes, I remember some talking about that, but they never heard the song.
99 red ballons - Nena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IRDDnEPR4

I ask this question, if change is in the winds, what happens to censors? And wasn't that what was fought against back then? Censorship, and lack of rights for the people in the Soviet Union?

Was it only about economics? Only for a few people.

Scorpions - Wind Of Change (Side note, you have to be able to see that video in its intended form.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4RjJKxsamQ (or, who is getting locked up. Who has the keys)


The winds of change were not about an economic system, but the inequalities that system were creating, the same thing is true now, even if it is some of the Capitalist systems causing the problems.


And to those that are messing with the treble on clips, or changing movies.

Did you notice the wood forms in this clip at 2:50. Wonder who noticed that.

Stephen King's: The Stand | Calling All Angels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_FNAhBeBZM





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AndiMer Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 03:18 AM
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2. America: Cleaning up Other Countries' Shit Since Forever
:argh:
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PuffedMica Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-11 07:23 AM
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3. This is one more debt incurred by Reagan's "winning the cold war"
We won, we get to pay for keeping Russia's poison safe. We also pay for disposing of vast amounts of Russia's nuclear weapons arsenal.
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