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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:33 PM
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Is a Sex Offender Worth $42 an Hour?
Is a Sex Offender Worth $42 an Hour?


LOS ANGELES (KTLA) -- Is a convicted sex offender -- on parole and working what appears to be an entry level cleaning and janitorial job that's being funded with public money -- worth $42 an hour? That's what convicted sex offenders James Spry and Steven English are claiming in a lawsuit, and under state law, they might have a case.

Spry and English are suing Baron Services of Chino, a company that does final cleaning and janitorial work on construction sites.

Though there are questions about whether or not Spry and English should have even been on some of the work sites in the first place since some of them were on K-12 school campuses, there's no question that many of the projects were funded with public dollars.

In California, state law requires that the kinds of public works projects that Spry and English worked on pay prevailing wages to laborers.

The prevailing wage for some of the general laborers in California is set at about $42 an hour.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-sex-offenders-on-campus-2,0,7832507.story
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:36 PM
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1. $42.00 an hour? Wow. There must be a lot of people lining up for those
jobs, that's all I can think. I know the cost of living in California is very high so wages need to be high, but THAT high? Wow.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:39 PM
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15. That number includes all benefits.
The real wage is between $26.00 and $29.00 dollars per hour, which to my way of thinking is not a whole fortune for hard dirty work. I found the prevailing wage for different area of California in two minutes. This reminds me of the $80.00 per hour UAW meme the right wingers pulled a few years back.
They keep attacking the American workers in the same old ways and the DU'ers fall fall for it. The wages have nothing to do with your criminality. If it did most of our political "leaders" would be working for free.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:49 PM
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18. It is a lot of money for a non-skill non-education job.
No matter what some people are paid there are some DUers who will justify it. I see posts about football players making tens of millions claiming they are "oppressed".
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 03:09 PM
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21. It's California. Cost of living is absurdly higher there than elsewhere.
The $42/hr won't give you a lavish lifestyle.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:37 PM
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2. They aren't being paid for their crimes but for their WORK.
Are you in favor of chain gangs? Cheap labor from the convicted competing with non-felon labor?
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:43 PM
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3. Since America can't have death sentences for everyone...
...we'll settle for life sentences for everyone.

It's a wonderful world.
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AndiMer Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:44 PM
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4. Sickening
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:52 PM
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8. why?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:47 PM
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5. As a non-sex offender and job seeker, this pisses me off.
I'll do that job for $20/hr.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:51 PM
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19. Gah!
Edited on Mon May-23-11 02:51 PM by Iggo
Never mind.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:48 PM
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6. interesting. set the crime aside -- do you still think they're paid too much?
not me.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:57 PM
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9. Not really - temp job most likely
Which, to me, is one good reason to pay those people more (I know temp agencies here, not saying they are using one of course, but the ones here charge a lot per hour and give the workers little of it).
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:51 PM
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7. i think there is a huge problem with the way sex offender is constructed
Edited on Mon May-23-11 01:52 PM by La Lioness Priyanka
and classified and used as the boogie man

no one wants to stand up for a pedophile and using that criteria alone, we are willing to have our emotions swayed. in this case, paying sex offenders less, saves the company money

a better question should be, should a company be allowed to higher sex workers, to essentially cut costs? instead of hiring the person for the job?

sex offenders is a term that is bandied about, to sway us into using emotions to make judgements instead of rational thought.

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:58 PM
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10. Would have to agree - the term is over applied/used (nt)
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:59 PM
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11. i totally agree with you.
set aside the fact that the sex offender system seems to be kind of messed up to begin with, just the phrase elicits a knee jerk reaction from many. and maybe that is the goal. Janitors in general work their asses off doing work most of us wouldn't want to do. I used to clean the bathrooms, lockers in catholic school to work off my tuition. gross! I cleaned classrooms, mopped floors, etc. and that was just for a couple hours a week. I think there is a game here being played of trying to pit us against each other. hey, look at that guy over there.... he is making more than you!! go get em!! now add the insult of a sex offender and watch the feathers fly!!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:41 PM
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16. +100
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Wash. state Desk Jet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:17 PM
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12. Simple Solution
Eradicate sex offenders !
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LadyHawkAZ Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:27 PM
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13. An 18 y/o kid that has sex with his 16 y/o girlfriend
and gets caught at it is a sex offender. If you mean Eradicate Pedophiles, I'm with ya.
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Wash. state Desk Jet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:22 AM
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23. That is exactly what I mean
Edited on Tue May-24-11 01:32 AM by Wash. state Desk Jet
I don't know that the laws evolving around statutory rape have changed all that much really. I will agree that the sex offender label is a bit to far of stretch in some states - I don't think a minor's life should be turned upside down over a charge such as voyeurism which seems to fall to the label of sex offender under the heading of indecent liberties.So indeed there are differences of opinion about the label.


Child Molesters-serial rapist's, serial killers should be eradicated period end.I am not the least bit interested in debating the wide ranges of the label.The law in it's definition's is far from perfect.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:30 PM
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14. how do you propose to do that? do you think someone who was 20 years old
and slept with a 17 year old, deserves to be eradicated? really?

all of you who jump at hearing the word sex offenders, are being used as fools by politicians and the like

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:42 PM
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17. +100. "used as fools", yes.
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dorksied Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 03:02 PM
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20. One of my closest friends is on the S.O. registry
for having sex with a girl who LIED about her age.

He's going to be on that list until he's 32. (10 years on the registry, AFTER completing probation)

He got laid off from his job, and nobody will hire him because he's got a 3rd degree felony thats a sex charge.

This isn't justice. His life is in ruins, because of a mistake he made when he was 18.

Eradicate him? Over my dead body, scumbag. He is one of the most decent people I've ever known, and he doesn't deserve the hell he's enduring.

Now, as far as pedophiles go, lock them away, and throw away the key.
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Wash. state Desk Jet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:29 AM
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24. The most decent person you know
Edited on Tue May-24-11 01:37 AM by Wash. state Desk Jet
good for you. She lied about her age-doesn't that happen a lot. And there is a lot about the law you really should come to understand. It was a raw deal -a bad break and a bad choice he made. So she lied about her age.
My oh my.

If you don't like the way it is-than try working to change the way it is. You can blow off steam or you get involved. He caught a bad break-that happens in life.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 03:12 PM
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22. Read this comment on the linked article:
"Here's what really goes on. Companies submit a bid for these projects and include the provision for paying prevailing wages. The company gets the money from the contract, and then they turn around and pay people $10/hour, pocketing the money that was supposed to go to their employees as part of the bid. Yet because the ones bringing the suit are sex offenders, they are the bad guys. Anything to divert attention from the fraud that is going on, right?"
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Wash. state Desk Jet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 02:00 AM
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25. The company that wins the bid
Edited on Tue May-24-11 02:06 AM by Wash. state Desk Jet
also pays the insurance and the tax and the medical coverage all that with regards to the actual cost of the employees. Of course the company that pays the employees
$10.00 per hour throws up at least
$100,000 bond maybe $1,000,000 bond in order to assume all liabilities-insurance liabilities. Labor pools charge $17.00 or $20.00 and hour for the laborer- a day laborer may make 8-9 . That is the way it is.So if they pay 10 they make 20 the rest is overhead. I wouldn't say it's fair-but that is the way it is.If you agree to 10 an hour-than ten it is.Did they agree to the terms of pay by the company that hired them ? Ther must be more to it. And since when in California do janitors make $42.00 per hour ?
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