Ford and Insurance industry have developed car seat health monitoring which can even spy on your ...

smoking ....heart rate, sugar levels, and even what meds you may have forgotten to take or have taken.

They will know instantly what you have drank, smoked or ingested and probably alert the police too.

They are trying to sell it as if they care about your well being and health safety.

How do you feel about type of monitoring of your life?

Make sure you watch the youtube videos 1- 6 below they tell much more of how this monitoring will be used. very scary inho.
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/23/3649031/ford-develops-heart-rate-monitoring.html

Health and Wellness Forum parts 1 - 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWXrPX0k9EY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9CH0NH3SHs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ1sr28E8Tk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS6NLmrJ67w&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL7-fxVnHsM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OLZvFSJ53g&feature=related

They want as much information about people as possible.

Same thing with the patriot act.

In the same way some people fight transparency, becuase they consider the people an enemy, and don't want there enemy to know about them.


Not that hard to figure out.

Interestingly, my friends never asked me to keep secrets, nor kept secrets about them, although I keep some personal details and sadder moments quiet and don't discuss them out of respect. So as I have learned about better ideas, light and truth is what has been tried to be taught to me.

I figure light and truth will prevail eventually. Although that is a choice based on a belief that it is a better choice, and most people are more good then bad, and the belief that existence is good.

Oh, you think a tin-hat is out of fashion? That the Govt and Corporate America are in it FOR YOUR WELL-BEING??

Have some more Soma. A gram a day,.....

The level of paranoia is funny.



A friend of mine in high school lost her brother and father when the latter had a heart attack while driving and lost control of the vehicle. Who knows, maybe this invention could have detected a problem before he blacked out, and alerted him to stop the vehicle - and called paramedics FOR him. My friend might still have her father, and would almost certainly still have her brother here today.

My mother-in-law has diabetes. Monitoring her blood sugar is a daily chore. She's never passed out, but she loves to drive herself around. How nice it would be to have her car be able to alert her to dangerous blood sugar levels. How nice it would be for everyone else sharing the road with her.

But no, clearly this invention is all about the big bad gubmint using it to spy on us. Unrec for paranoia.

Another one of those "for your safety" ideas.

to get our fingerprints.

Try removing the seat and getting at the relay to jumper it at -30° at 2 AM. He damn near had frostbite

As you can imagine, there were many, many bad words involved.

Damn those interlocks.

I don't need the government to tell me how to do everything.

I wear a seat belt as a matter of choice, started long before there were laws about it.
I know full well what the consequences of my actions are.

I can guarantee you you that if the insurance companies are in favor of it that it has nothing to do with "safety." They'll use it as an excuse not to pay, just like they find ways to not pay for medical.

Take insurance out of the equation and imagine we had single payer. Your fellow taxpayer would have to pay more because you used your "personal freedom" to get even more messed up than you had to be in a crash.

"Name me any form of human activity and I'll find you a group of doctors against it"

Kinda blows that whole "personal choice and responsibility" thing out of the water.

I have no use for any form of morality police

some people never want to stop themselves from doing what they shouldn't, they only want to stop others from doing what THEY know you shouldn't.

harms, or could potentially harm, others? You do not have the personal freedom to endanger others with your choices. You may think you have the "personal choice" to drink and then get behind the wheel of a car, but you're gravely endangering others; in fact, tens of thousands of innocent people a year die from someone else's "choice" in that regard. You may think you have the "personal choice" to speed as much as you want, but that puts the lives of others on the road in danger; again, thousands die or are injured each year because of someone else's "choice" in that regard.

but I'm still not willing to have my every move monitored nor do I think yours should be to save me a bit of money. What is it with people who justify everything because it would 'save money'? We've seen that justification over and over for nanny state intrusions into our lives.

the rest of us have a vested public safety interest in ensuring that you remain in the driver's seat and control of your car in the event of a collision.

Your selfishness does not trump public safety.

I wear my seat belt, but I don't need a law to do so.
I resent any form of "it's for your own good" type crap.

And as I stated above, if the insurance companies are for it, it's highly suspect as to what their true motives are.

More bullshit. Not if someone hits you or even if you hit someone and you're struggling to remain in control of the car. That's much harder to do if you're not in your seat.

You might want to think before you post and, as I said before, public safety trumps your selfishness.

I love to be on the "ignore" list of people who can't engage in lively, spirited debate. Of course, one has to wonder how in the world they ever learn anything.

Think more about Gilbert & Sullivan

Gilbert and Sullivan writing about debate.

In the meantime, it's quite alright if you run away from the debate. In fact, it's quite expected.

privacy doesn't it? Fuck public safety.

show me where I said anything remotely like that.

Serious question: when you fly, do you think your "freedom" is infringed upon because the FAA requires you to wear your seatbelt at certain times? In a rollover, do you disagree that passengers are safer when others are confined to their seat and aren't flying all over the inside of the car?

Yes, in this case, public safety trumps your right to go seat beltless and endanger other passengers.

you said public safety trumps your selfishness. Personal freedoms trump public safety in my opinion. Fuck public safety.

I was saying it with regard to a specific situation.

BTW, the next time you take a flight, you should "strike a blow for freedom" by refusing to wear your seatbelt and see how quickly the captain throws your ass off the plane.

.. the driver's seat.

I came really close to learning that the hard way.

I have a 12 inch retaining wall in front of my parking space that I have to drive around to get out of my alley. I have to back up 5 or 10 feet and cut it to the right to get on my way.

One morning, in a big rush, I didn't back up far enough and clipped the end of the retaining wall with my left front wheel. The truck bounced over the small wall and lurched forward - sending me sliding forward in my seat with my foot flooring the gas. My movement was made worse by slippery leather seats. The truck shot across the alley about 50 feet before I was able to regain control. I barely stopped before driving through my neighbor's garage.

Luckily the only damage was a wounded pride and a bent running board. But it could have been much worse if there was a pedestrian present as there often is in the morning. I live near an EL stop so my alley is a busy cut-through. Not to mention it wouldn't have gone too well for me had the airbags deployed with my chest on the steering wheal.

I always wear my seatbelt but I sometimes put it on "on the fly" when I'm in a rush. I should have known better. As a pilot for twenty years, I would never THINK of flying without being buckled in - for the same reason one shouldn't drive without a seatbelt.

I can think of a hundred scenarios where a minor upset could lead to total loss of control when not belted in.

I get really tired of libertarian types who think they live alone on an island and their actions and choices never, ever affect anyone else and they have the right to do whatever they want.

They'll be cost/energy prohibitive for most people. When you use one, someone else will own it, and like logging in on a public computer, everything will be tracked, for "safety's" sake. Seems like a plausible scenario to me.

Hopefully we'll have wonderful ecosustainable local new urbanism with walking communities and a great rail system and we'll all share organic vegetables and eggs from our backyard coops with our neighbors, just like all declining empires.

Those cars would just throw us under the bus when they monitored the contents of our wallets.

The whole surveillance state falls apart when people are too boring and poor to be worthwhile watching.

Can we get similar devices for all major industries? I thought not.

They won't work.

A seat can monitor heart rate though I wonder about accuracy but sugar levels and meds? That would require blood samples.

measure other things in your blood in the same way?

...that Gattaca and Demolition Man were NOT meant to be documentaries for how to model the future.

The whole 'vested public safety' argument is another of those arguments that is virtually unbeatable. Granted, you can justify ANYTHING with a sufficiently good explanation simply by linking it to 'vested public safety', but that little point is often overlooked.

The question MUST NOT BE 'can this be in the interest of public safety'; the question MUST BE 'is this NECESSARY for continued public safety'. If the answer to the second is "No, it's not necessary," then your 'vested interest' in it is over.

I don't give a damn if it might prevent one person from driving drunk, I don't give a damn if it might stop one old person who's a bit tired. I don't care if it prevents someone from unfastening their seatbelt when not in the presence of a cop. There are already laws to deal with these things. Nothing further is necessary.

Someone mocked 'personal responsibility' earlier in the thread, and more often than not it is worthy of being mocked because of how conservatives use it as an answer to everything. However, there are times when it is NOT worthy of being mocked and, instead, is a sufficient and completely justifiable answer. This is one of those cases.

If you are an authoritarian, of ANY stripe...you are my enemy.

Shandris, I'll call you a friend, and join you in opposing those enemies.

:thumbsup: :hi:

-app

Most days, using advanced medical equipment - not a car seat - my doctor can't pick up my pulse, heartbeat or blood pressure (my normal blood pressure is 'shocky' in most everyone else; 85/40). A trained interventional radiologist - they're the ones who place PICC lines in people with bad veins - blew out one of my veins administering contrast. I don't think I want carseat - especially one made by Ford - randomly jabbing lancets in me to collect blood. Thanks but no thanks.