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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:09 PM Original message |
L.A. school lawyers printed off 90 pages of librarian's blog. Used it against her at hearing. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. I hope someone defends this and tells me I am over reacting. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
41. nope. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
44. You are overreacting |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #44 |
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lolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #44 |
89. The very fact that it is a "legal proceeding" is the outrage |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. The librarians sued |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #89 |
131. Bingo. n/t |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
151. A legal proceeding for what purpose? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #151 |
156. The union contract allows employees to contest RIF. In a hearing. |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
153. And since when is a fucking employment review a "legal proceeding"? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:27 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. The librarians asked for the hearing. It's part of the union K. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 07:45 AM Response to Reply #153 |
167. Hearings are what happen when you sue |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
155. Of course you'd think that |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #155 |
196. And, |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
55. I fear my DU writings could be used against me... |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:54 AM Original message |
What kind of a kiss ass did that to you? |
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bongbong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
121. Easy solution |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
154. Better idea. Ditch your nation. Or take it back. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
149. Not just overreacting, but accusing the trial court of dirty dealing. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. oh, if only she had copyrighted her blog. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Everything you write is already copyrighted. n/t |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. If it's not registered, you can't get punitive damages nt |
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sybylla (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
96. Wrong. It doesn't have to be registered. |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
111. 17 USC 412 - Registration as prerequisite to certain remedies for infringement |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
145. No. A cross of writings as evidence in a civil hearing doesn't violate copyright. n/t |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. Like something out of Kafka, poor Librarian. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. .... |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-24-11 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. Sadly, this is the way we now treat public servants. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I am afraid we do. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
36. By giving them recourse to a hearing when they contest layoff decisions? |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
76. That they are even considering getting rid of libraries is goddamn criminal. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
91. The hearings are a sham |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. How so? |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
8. FWIW, school district lawyers are like... |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
75. I went to a seminar once |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #75 |
130. To contrast that I used to work with one of the union lawyers. |
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Demoiselle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
125. I met a school district lawyer a long time ago. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
10. K & R |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
11. Truly appalling |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #11 |
30. The layoffs are appalling. Freaking out about due process is simply puzzling. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
93. Kangaroo courts are not 'due process'. nt |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. What about this seems like a kangaroo court? |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
144. It seems to me the purpose of introducing evidence from her blog is vindictiveness |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Not vindictiveness, just good trial prep. Her blog was introduced to impeach direct testimony.nt |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #146 |
150. I still view it as inappropriate |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. I think you are missing the point of the impeachment--the credibility of the witnesses' testimony |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:13 AM Response to Reply #152 |
161. The whole impeachment of a witness stuff is so overdone in legal proceedings today... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #161 |
190. Politics, too |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:38 AM Response to Reply #152 |
164. I still disagree that this is appropriate in any way, shape or form |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 07:35 AM Response to Reply #164 |
166. She sued them |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #164 |
181. I sympathise but Recursion is right here. She is the one who brought suit... |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #181 |
195. hmm... |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #195 |
207. You had me until you somehow blamed Obama for this. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #207 |
211. Well, |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #164 |
185. As to your first point, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #146 |
158. Deleted message |
suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
139. delete - posted in wrong place |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
13. yes, i am very uneasy. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
14. Outrageous! Like something out of a nightmare. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Seriously? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
110. Yes, seriously. Treating Librarians like criminals is pretty |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. She's the one who sued |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:44 AM Response to Original message |
15. It's a hearing in which the laid off teachers are arguing |
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eilen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:01 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I don't understand your arguement |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Yes, they asked for the hearing after they got laid off |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:09 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. So, public employees should lose their civil service and union protections? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. So you would rather they have no legal recourse when they're laid off? |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #27 |
60. Of course not, and I said no such thing |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. So the librarian is "whining"? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I also wasn't responding to your post... |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:02 AM Response to Reply #60 |
159. hmph! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #23 |
68. No way, no how |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #68 |
85. The only problem I have with these proceedings |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #68 |
113. You keep repeating yourself |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #68 |
126. Well, no need to fret. They got those "rights" because of unions. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:03 AM Response to Reply #68 |
160. hmph! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. No, it's not hard at all to defend due process |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #15 |
67. a layoff - in the true sense of the word |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. A layoff should have nothing to do with performance? |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #69 |
88. Layoff is not a euphamism for getting fired. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. But look at it from the organization's point of view |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #94 |
114. Absolutely not |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. How is it worse than a seniority based system? |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #116 |
172. Almost every organization public or private is tied to seniority |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #172 |
173. Pilots are unionized |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #173 |
178. This does not apply to education |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #178 |
182. Experience can be an asset or a trap. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #182 |
191. Err... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. Partially agreed |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #192 |
193. How did the horse run into its own carriage? |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. And... |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #194 |
197. hmm... |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #197 |
210. Not well |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #210 |
212. Hence, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #194 |
199. Tea Partiers have higher average educational attainment than the poulation at large |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #199 |
209. Bunk! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #209 |
216. Easy |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #193 |
198. I thought about that as I wrote it |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #198 |
208. Right... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #208 |
215. When the hell have I suggested privatizing any part of education? (nt) |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
77. Please sir, can I have some more? nt |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
112. 'Interrogating witnesses'? How easily we have assumed |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #112 |
117. It's the language of a hearing. Which it is. She sued, there's a hearing. |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
142. They have recourse because they have UNIONS!!! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 07:50 AM Response to Reply #142 |
168. Yeah but it's the hearing that's being villainized here |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:15 AM Response to Original message |
16. WTF? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:01 AM Response to Original message |
17. We have become the very thing we thought we were fighting - a system that purges |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #17 |
80. Actually the USSR funded education pretty well |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:23 AM Response to Original message |
20. Quite simply, teachers and other public employees are becoming the boogeyman |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
143. Yes and firemen and cops are next |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:12 AM Response to Original message |
21. Jesus wept. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
35. Why would the ACLU complain that the teachers are receiving a hearing for a case they brought? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
22. This is why I blog anonymously... |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
82. It's working |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:17 AM Response to Reply #22 |
162. You are not anonymous. They can tie anything to you that you have ever put online... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
25. Again, it was a hearing, not an "interrogation" |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I've worked in the courts |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I've been to tons of public hearings with bailiffs |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #25 |
78. It's worse than that, it's just like HITLER nt |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
29. The serfdom state does not need educated people OR teachers. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
34. I can't believe that anyone is surprised at this |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:43 AM Original message |
I don't think she is surprised in that way. I don't think librarians... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
45. I feel sorry for her and think they are creeps for doing it, but |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. So you see nothing wrong with school lawyers going after librarians aggressively? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. It's a dollars & cents issue at the core.. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Ok. I never expected that from you. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
135. It's way more than a dollars & cents issue. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 07:51 AM Response to Reply #135 |
169. She's saying a classroom teacher should be laid off instead of her |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #169 |
204. No, she's not but I've seen a lot of that kind of 'reasoning' |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
133. Madfloridian.... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. I remember that well. It was the Librarians who first stood up |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #133 |
137. Thanks. I never thought we would reach this place in America. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
104. I actually appreciate your posts, but... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Hyperbole? Really? That's a shame. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:19 AM Response to Reply #104 |
165. Cheers?!? |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I don't get it either. Blogs are the equivalent of publishing |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Do you defend the fact that librarians are grilled like this? Like criminals? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. They initiated the case |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #39 |
201. They didn't initiate the case. Being laid off initiated the case. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Your OP is about using blogs in a court case.You're saying |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. No my op is about far more than that. I get the message though. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. It's a dispute about the nature of their contract |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
40. this is just heartbreaking. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Seriously? Due process is heartbreaking to you? |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. no, not the due process. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. You mean the fact that she's being cross-examined? |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #51 |
61. i don't think it is. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. The problem here is that teachers and teacher-librarians are getting laid off |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #65 |
70. yes, right and left |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
205. Of course you don't. Now that I've read several of your posts |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #205 |
217. What's a better way for the school district to have resolved this? |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
214. AND, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
43. There's a sadness when things like become okay. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
54. So the belief is that since librarians tried to defend their jobs... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. They deserve a hearing? Hell yes. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
206. I am appalled that you are so supportive of the layoff |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-27-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #206 |
213. I am appalled at so many of the comments in this thread. |
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CanSocDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
56. As much as I deplore.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Actually her blog is quite intelligent and well done. |
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CanSocDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. No they don't.... |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #59 |
66. No ,it's not well done. If you look at her archived blogs she |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. You had to go back 3 years? If you want to be right that bad....you win. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Her whole blog is like that. Right up to the moment it looks like |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #74 |
90. I am backing off. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
58. How about firing the lawyers and keeping the librarians instead. |
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distilledvinegar (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
73. missing the point |
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bethfully (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #73 |
87. Thanks for this response |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. Thank you. |
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distilledvinegar (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #95 |
108. Thank YOU!! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #73 |
92. Thank you. |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #73 |
140. Welcome to DU! |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #73 |
148. Um, no one 'trumped up' charges against her. She isn't charged with anything. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:16 AM Response to Reply #73 |
174. "Trump up" charges? SHE SUED |
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distilledvinegar (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #174 |
176. ok |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #176 |
177. That's what this hearing is to determine -- note that the union isn't supporting her |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #176 |
186. They aren't proving she is or is not 'qualified' to be a teacher. |
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distilledvinegar (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #186 |
200. from reading the LAUSD contract |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
79. Hell, they got trials didn't they? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. The librarians sued |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Is there a snowball's chance in hell that they'll win though? nt |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Possibly; for all the theatrics it's going to come down to the contract language |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. That wouldn't be much of a victory. nt |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #84 |
98. That's the kicker. School districts decide on the amount of |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Union ambivalence would explain her crappy counsel |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Most likely. The union is stuck between a rock and a hard place |
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Shining Jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
103. K&R n/t |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
105. Here are part of the lawyers' questions....trying to prove she could not teach. |
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distilledvinegar (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. so likewise... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #105 |
124. That's called cross. Pretty effective, too. Note the lack of objection from the union. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:23 AM Response to Reply #124 |
163. From a lawyers point of view, this is an effective cross. Step back from that |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 07:54 AM Response to Reply #163 |
171. But remember, she's saying a classroom teacher should lose his or her job instead of her |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #171 |
180. That is a valid point, but not in terms of the angle of impeaching her credibility. They couldn't |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #180 |
183. I'm guessing this is a heavy-handed dick move to discourage similar lawsuits |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #183 |
187. If you are right, it is not going to work. Anyone who has been laid off could tell them that... |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. Especially since ultimately it doesn't matter |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #180 |
184. No. Nothing is more effective than damning a witness with their own words. n/t |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #184 |
188. That is not the point in this subthread at all. I discuss that aspect in another subthread. n/t |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
106. My rage has no words. |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
118. Public employees and school teachers have become the new "communists." |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Hm... oddly enough that's basically the question before the court |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #119 |
127. I'm amazed at how many are simply not getting it. She is basically trying |
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CanSocDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #119 |
129. OK...I get it. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. Deleted message |
Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
120. Just wait. They will come for you too. |
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msider (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
123. Ponies |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #123 |
202. Ponies are cool. nt |
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Corruption Winz (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
128. Ridiculous.. |
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kickysnana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
132. This is a kangaroo court and our societies shame. n/t |
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Hestia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
134. Crazy question (not sure how ya'll do it in other states) but why not have these teachers |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
138. The argument that teachers are supposed to LIKE this process is ludicrous |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #138 |
147. +100,000 |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 07:52 AM Response to Reply #138 |
170. I'd love to be able to contest a layoff decision |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
141. LAUSD is one of the most dysfunctional |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
175. ttt |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
179. the mayor in LA is in the pocket of the rich--and he used to be a union organizer |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
203. They don't burn books any more, they just put them out of sight |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #203 |
218. I so agree with you. |
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