Congresswoman on MSNBC was saying what Dems should have been saying all along.

She's either Sanchez or Grimms. She basically stated that when you vote Republican you're voting to send jobs overseas and, to giving Wall Street huge breaks.

Very simple and plain English. Go down the list and chop your positions down to these easy statements which can be defended with follow-up questions.

Yes indeed. The k and the r.

It was DLC Democrats who joined the Republicans in actively pushing the "free" trade agreements that make it easy to send jobs overseas, and Obama has been pushing for more "free" trade agreements--and giving Wall Street huge breaks.

Yep - the argument only works if our side decides to stand up for the working class.

but rather left/progressive & conservative. The waters have become so muddy with the 2 party system that often seems as though it is one, that it is more accurate to talk policy in other terms than party labels.

Why would Obama go against the wishes of a HUGE majority of the American people that have overwhelmingly polled that they want no new trade agreements?

I guess it's just like the tax cut extensions, Obama will do as his masters require of him. Just like Clinton on NAFTA. Clinton and Gore actually campaigned in favor of NAFTA. NAFTA and free trade has destroyed the American working class.

Awful, awful stuff.

instead of always talking people into circles. The average person isn't paying attention to politics 24/7. Many have busy lives and/or short attention spans. Every position needs a simple declarative sentence to grab one's attention. Then they can go into more in depth explanations.

pay their fair share" - Hochul yesterday

Like that?

And when the inevitable squeals of "class warfare" start, either (a) ignore them; or (2) say, "Well, it's about time someone fired back against the wealthy onslaught."

Someone should give lessons to our Democratic representatives.

Only because the term has strong negative connotations.

It should be a soundbite that points out that we're correcting an injustice and putting the money back in the hands of consumers.

He said, "it is class warfare and my side is winning."

... are the results of economic hardship and bread-and-circuses media.

Funny how that works out. The economy tanks, they're "thankful" to have a job, reality television provides a welcome respite... and the voting-age populace is no longer paying enough attention to the foxes in the hen house.

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Perfect demographic for republican scare tactics, fits in with the reality show mentality. Pretty soon the working stiffs of the world are voting against their own interests.

Not much talk about the nuke or Syria today on msnBS?

Make them talk about it.

Attended a great talk recently with former MI governor Jennifer Granholm, and she said that NAFTA and CAFTA killed Detroit, Flint, Michigan in general. Outsourcing continued unabated by Bush II and now Obama.

Democrats AND Republicans are responsible for this crap. It needs to stop!!!

Bush signed the agreement in December, 1992. Clinton inherited the damn thing and went against about 90% of the Dems by pushing the implementing legislation through Congress in 1993. While he didn't really start it, he could have stopped it and didn't. Instead, he promoted it.

I have a very vivid memory of the whole NAFTA debate and vote. Clinton pushed for it with huge gusto. Same with the GATT treaty. Swallowed the whole globalization line hook line and sinker, and pushed hard for us to as well. I'll never forget that.

as she's a DLC-type.

I don't remember her speaking out against NAFTA OR CAFTA.

I realize she had to walk a tight-rope between the
DLC dems and the unions...but she never championed
the unions, and, in fact, many union people abandoned
the democratic party here in recent years because of
the anti-worker legislation on local and federal levels.

There's a lot of things about that era that needs to go under a microscope:

(1) The political attack on him by the conservatives which took unprecedented turns.

(2) Clinton's buckling and moving to the right. His so called triangulation. Here we were patting him on the back because he was beating the Republicans to their own platform, when that move to the right is what lost jobs for this country and allowed our financial institutions to fly without a safety net.

(3) Points 1 and 2 are correlated.

The Democrats just need to rediscover what worked for them in the past. Before Clinton. Before the conservative right-wing surge took control of politics.

shaken to its very foundation because of the demonstrations against the WTO in Seattle in 1999. So shaken that at first Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa, an alleged friend of Labor, was sent to pacify the crowd. When that didn't work Bill Clinton was dispatched to save the day. Clinton appeared on TV extolling the benefits of slave trade with an apple grower from eastern Washington. Clinton told us that US based apple growers grew enough apples to supply every American with 22 pounds of apples per year but that we only consumed about half of that. Thus, he said that slave trade would provide markets for apple growers.

For a member of congress to point the finger at republicons and accuse them of shipping jobs overseas is disingenuous at best or an outright lie at worst. Both political parties are neck deep in slave trade agreements and a democratic president is about to introduce more slave trade agreements with South Korea and Colombia.

Maybe it's when a Dem accuses Repukes of shipping jobs overseas. Give me a friggin' break. Dems have shipped way more jobs overseas than Repukes have.

Dems should not be shipping jobs overseas. It is a shameful chapter in the history of the Democratic Party. They were bamboozled by the likes of the preachers of Chicago School economics. How could they have been so stupid -- or so easily bought off?

I think the death of the DLC should be an indictment on Clinton's mode of thinking.

That's a winning phrase.

But, alas, sometimes it's NOT simple and there is NO simple statement that is truthful.

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pay for tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires

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