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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:29 AM
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I smell blood in the water. (A forced Senate vote on the Ryan Budget is a-coming!)
Edited on Wed May-25-11 10:51 AM by Snoutport
Finally the Senate and Harry Reid is going to force a vote on Ryan's budget. I only wish they had done it sooner before some of the republican idiots had a chance to think about it and change their vote to no.

Regardless...the Republicans have a choice: vote yes and get eaten alive by the Democrats. Vote no and get cannibalized by the Tea Party. Either way, I personally want to make a big bowl of popcorn and sit back and watch the show. Either way...I smell blood in the water and I like it.

Munch munch munch.

(edited for some really really poor grammar!)
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:30 AM
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1. I'll believe it when I see it....
Sorry, I just don't trust Harry any more to do either the right thing, or the aggressive thing. Forcing a vote on this is both of those.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:31 AM
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3. link
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:54 AM
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12. That link just describes the politics and optics of it...
I don't dispute that. I just don't believe Reid has the biting political instinct to actually go through with forcing them to vote.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 08:53 PM
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17. I am scared you are right and really, really hoping you are wrong!
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 11:31 PM
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19. Did you see it?
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 06:30 AM
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20. Great. I'm happy...
This was a no brainer. Now hopefully they use it effectively.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:31 AM
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2. It's a beautiful thing. Good luck with that,GOP! nt
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:31 AM
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4. I'm glad he waited. The longer they wait the longer the GOP has to defend. n/t
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:40 AM
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6. good point...
But...the sooner they vote, the sooner the Tea Party has a chance to put up candidates against the people who vote against it. If they are busy infighting they might be too busy to be bugging the Democratic candidate. :0) many ways to win in this situation.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:39 AM
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5. The fun part is these great ideas are all part of the line for the debt ceiling
Republican leadership already stated they want concessions on these ideas to raise the ceiling meaning they apparently want the beating to continue all summer long.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:47 AM
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9. Add on to that they want to stop the help for Joplin until they can fund it
with cuts. It is like saying, "Sleep on the ground and eat garbage til we find a tax cut for the rich and a cut to the poor to pay for help."
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Matt_in_STL Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 11:01 AM
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14. Oh, they found a way to fund it
They went ahead and used the Joplin disaster as a way to provide another gift to Big Oil by taking $1.5 billion away from loans to develop fuel efficient vehicles.

http://www.examiner.com/economic-policy-in-national/cantor-holds-disaster-relief-hostage-political-maneuver-to-kill-green-energy
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 07:05 AM
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22. Despicable behavior and priorities by Cantor. nt
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 08:15 PM
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16. I'd think they were doing it on purpose to purge the tea party
but, dang...every republican voted for it...they can all be hurt by it!

Even the ones who manage to keep their seats, i'll bet, are going to lose a LOT of votes.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:41 AM
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7. Maybe they just won't show up for the vote. Is that possible?
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:43 AM
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8. Ooooh...I hadn't thought of that!
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:53 AM
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11. That is possible not to show up but violates the dictates of the party bosses at Fox News.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:51 AM
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10. A win win scenario for Democrats.
Vote for the Ryan budget you are in favor of insurance vouchers which for those I have spoken too is clear even among the low information voters. Repukes who vote against the Ryan budget create the possibility of a tea party candidate in their next election and alienate the most radical idiot vote in their State.

I think the timing is about right.
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 10:59 AM
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13. The only problems with this are the Democrats themselves.
Edited on Wed May-25-11 11:01 AM by toddwv
They seem incapable of capitalizing on these blunders by the Republicans. They don't seem able to press the advantage.

It's just a bit frustrating to hear news like this:

"http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/25/978910/-Hoyer:-Medicare-cuts-are-on-the-debt-limit-negotiating-table?via=blog_1">Hoyer: Medicare cuts are on the debt limit negotiating table"

Sometimes, it seems like the Democrats don't want to be in charge.
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 09:28 PM
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18. I hadn't seen that.... yikes!
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 06:58 AM
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21. Bingo. Agree 100%
They (Dems) don't want to do any of the actual hard work.

They want to sit around and wait for the Republicans to screw up themselves. But even when that happens (as in this case), they just want to go "O.K. so they did this. Now let's move on."

Unless they are willing to run ad after ad after ad that says point blank "Republicans voted to abolish medicare", and not get scared or not apologize when people in the media accuse them of being mean or not entirely accurate, then none of it will mean anything.

And also instead of seeing how unpopular this vote was for Republicans, and how succesful opposing it was for Dems and just deciding "We've got to dig in even harder on proetcting medicare!", what they'll do is go "Well we'll still keep medicare on the table for negotiating, only we'll be less bad about it than Republicans."

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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 11:34 AM
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15. What if Repukes filibuster an up-or-down vote?
Would they still get eaten by the teabaggers?
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